Re: RE: NANFA-L--recreational collecting in OK

madtom (madtom-in-itlnet.net)
Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:26:11 -0500

My wife and I snorkeled and sampled the barron fork about three weeks ago.
If you get the chance to go, be sure and gather up a mess of crawdads and
have someone throw them in the deep holes while you watch from underwater.
Its amazing how quickly the SMB can inhale one.
One thing I immediately noticed this year was the absence of greenside
darters (E. blennoides). In the past we have found them fairly abundant. I
realize July/Aug is not the best time for sampling darters, but two trips in
two weeks failed to produce a single specimen. Has anyone else noticed
this?
Also, I found the sculpins to be far more abundant than past trips,
probably nothing to it, but thought I might pass it on.
madtom

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Subject: Re: RE: NANFA-L--recreational collecting in OK

> Hope you guys had fun in the Barron Fork, one of my favorite Oklahoma
> streams.
>
> In the list of expected species for the Barron Fork, a few names are
> incorrect. Dionda nubila should be Notropis nubilus, Notropis pilsbryi
> should be Luxilus cardinalis, Hybopsis amblops should be Notropis
> amblops, Notropis cornutus should be Luxilus chrysocephalus, Notropis
> rubellus should be Notropis percobromus, Chaenobryttus gulosus should
> be Lepomis gulosus. The bullhead species listed are in the genus
> Ameiurus, not Ictalurus. The correct spelling for the scientific name
> of the rock bass is Ambloplites rupestris.
>
> The likelihood of a good many of the other species listed being-in-any
> given site on the Barron Fork is vanishingly small. Some have never
> been collected in that river, including Fundulus sciadicus and Notropis
> girardi. The latter is now restricted in Oklahoma so far as is known
> to the South Canadian R. in western and central Oklahoma, and the
> former is now known in Oklahoma only from oxbows on Spring Creek
> (rediscovered after having been thought extirpated for years), a
> tributary of the Neosho R. (known as the Grande River in Oklahoma).
> Noturus placidus is unknown from the Illinois R. drainage, and has
> probably been extirpated from the Oklahoma portion of the Neosho
> drainage. Except for Noturus exilis, several of the other madtoms
> listed are rare to extremely rare in the Illinois drainage, and I doubt
> finding them in the Barron Fork itself except almost by accident. If
> any are found there, they should be deposited-in-the University of
> Oklahoma Sam Noble Museum of Natural History and a distribution note
> published. Though both bigmouth and black buffalo are reported from
> the Illinois R. drainage, neither should be expected in the Barron
> Fork. Bigmouth might be found if collection is in the portion of the
> river base level with Tenkiller Reservoir. Black buffalo may never
> have occurred in the state, but-in-any rate are so rare now as to not
> be found in the locations where they were originally thought to occur,
> and some suggest that they should be state listed. Except for Moxostoma
> erythrurum, the redhorses listed are rare in the Barron Fork.
>
> Campostoma oligolepis, not listed, may occur in the Barron Fork.
>
> David L. McNeely, Ph.D., Professor of Biology
> Langston University; P.O. Box 1500
> Langston, OK 73050; email: dlmcneely-in-lunet.edu
> telephone: (405) 466-6025; fax: 405) 466-3307
> home page http://www.lunet.edu/mcneely/index.htm
>
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