Dave
David L. McNeely, Ph.D., Professor of Biology
Langston University; P.O. Box 1500
Langston, OK 73050; email: dlmcneely-in-lunet.edu
telephone: (405) 466-6025; fax: 405) 466-3307
home page http://www.lunet.edu/mcneely/index.htm
"Where are we going?" "I don't know, are we there yet?"
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Stallsmith <fundulus-in-hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:22 pm
Subject: Re: NANFA-L-- central mudminnow gravel consumption
> Your point's well-taken about inferring the color acuity of fish
> vision
> merely from the fact that fishes themselves are often colored. But
> they
> definitely perceive colors and react to them. The retina of a fish
> contains
> rod and cone cells similar to ours to respond to light, shapes and
> colors.
> Most temperate freshwater teleosts have three cone pigments that
> absorb
> light maximally-in-about 455, 530, and 625 nanometers, or blue,
> green and
> orange/red (referenced in "Fishes, An Introduction to
> Ichthyology," 3rd ed.,
> by Moyle and Cech). So 'twould appear that they have the
> biochemical
> apparatus (and neuronal apparatus) to perceive color in some form
> roughly
> like ourselves.
>
> --Bruce Stallsmith
> the grey, rainy Tennessee
> Huntsville, AL, US of A
>
> >From: Jerry Baker <nanfa-in-bakerweb.biz>
> >Reply-To: nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org
> >To: nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org
> >Subject: Re: NANFA-L-- central mudminnow gravel consumption
> >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:43:08 -0800
> >
> >SHasloue-in-kdhe.state.ks.us wrote:
> >>I don't know how one could tell if fish "perceive" colors as we
> do, but
> >>they darn sure perceive color in some fashion.
> >>
> >>If not - many species of darters, reef fish, and fishing lure
> >>manufacturers
> >>are going to a lot of trouble for nothing!
> >
> >I'm not sure I understand why the coloration of fish implies
> their ability
> >to see color. Humans absorb different frequencies of ultraviolet
> light to
> >different degrees (as can be seen in UV photographs of human
> skin) and yet
> >we cannot perceive it whatsoever. I'm sure that a bee can see
> that we have
> >a certain "color" in UV light, but the bee would be wrong if he
> assumed
> >that we could see that color.
> >
> >Not trying to be difficult, but just pointing out that we cannot
> infer the
> >ability to differentiate colors on the basis of coloration.
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