Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus

B.G. Granier (bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net)
Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:57:03 -0500

Hi Bob,

Yes I got them, thanks! I was away for two days, went surf fishing on the
Gulf of Mexico, Louisiana coast. Caught some speckled trout (spotted
weakfish) and Redfish (Red drum)...........and managed to collect a few
Adinia xenica also!

Thnaks again,

BG
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Carillio <darterman_at_hotmail.com>
To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus

> Hello B.G. This is Rob C. I was wondering if you got those e-mail
addresses
> I sent you to the people you wanted to get in touch with????.... Rob
>
>
> >From: "B.G. Granier" <bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net>
> >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
> >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:35:57 -0500
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >The F. euryzonus will also hybridize with
olivaceus/notatus...........some
> >work was done on this by Tom Blanchard for his graduate thesis. I don't
> >beleive he kept the hybrids to see if they were sterile or capable of
> >reproduction however.
> >
> >BG
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Bruce Stallsmith <fundulus_at_hotmail.com>
> >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> >Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 12:16 PM
> >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
> >
> >
> > > Hi Bob,
> > > With the notatus/olivaceus complex, really the only distinguishing
trait
> >is
> > > whether or not they're spotted above the black band. Breeding males
have
> > > slightly different banding patterns and color in their fins, but those
> >seem
> > > to be pretty subtle differences. Even the spotting is subtle, as I've
> > > mentioned. By putting a Mississippi olivaceus in the same tank as an
> >Alabama
> > > notatus the difference is apparent. I think you did the same thing by
> > > comparing Michigan notatus to your MS olivaceus. And just to
complicate
> > > things, the species can usually interbreed and produce apparently
viable
> > > hybrids from what I've read.
> > > My experience is that both species make good aquarium fish, being
> > > well-behaved and taking food items from the surface.
> > >
> > > --Bruce Stallsmith
> > >
> > > >From: Michiganfish_at_aol.com
> > > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > >To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
> > > >Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:14:59 EDT
> > > >
> > > >Bruce
> > > >
> > > >I have some fish from BG collecting trip. They have a heavy spotted
> >pattern
> > > >above the black stripe and the stripe goes into the tail fin. The
black
> > > >stripe on the males is almost as smooth as the females. I'm only
> >familiar
> > > >with F. notatus from Michigan they only have spots in their fins
here.
> >I
> > > >just
> > > >collected some notatus today and they look different. I believe what
I
> >have
> > > >is olivaceus is their any good field marks?
> > > >
> > > >Bob Muller
> > >
> > >
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