Rob Denkhaus
Fort Worth Nature Center & Refuge
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Carillio
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:52 PM
> To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Subject: Re: NANFA-- position on educational collecting (was
> Carillio in
> the news)
>
>
> Real quick... because I have to leave... I just want to
> comment on finding a
> new name other than collecting. I always thought this term
> opened a can of
> worms with DNR folf, and animal rights activists. How about
> "Harvesting"...
> "picking"... "selecting"...."gathering" These words, however would
> probably demand a specific explanation, and somehow it all
> goes back to
> collecting! HA! :-) Suggestions????...
>
>
> >From: "Jay DeLong" <thirdwind_at_att.net>
> >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> >Subject: NANFA-- position on educational collecting (was
> Carillio in the
> >news)
> >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:05:51 -0700
> >
> > > Do you think that perhaps to clear up the misconceptions about
> > > collecting, that NANFA as a group should formulate some type of
> > > letter about the positive impact it can actually have,
> >
> >Yes. And call it "educational" collecting. Or do away with the
> >"collecting" part alltogether if you can think of a better
> term. That's a
> >stupid term, don't you think? And it has a negative
> connotation because of
> >the illegal activities that have gone on under that same
> name. And avoid
> >saying that anyone has a "right" to collect or that it's an
> individual
> >freedom or something selfish like that.
> >
> >
> > > and just outline the idea that
> > > this is something that is not affecting natives as
> opposed to other
> > > affects???
> >
> >I'd deal with the positive effects of legal educational
> collecting and
> >avoid
> >discussion on comparing its impact to habitat destruction.
> Why even allow
> >for guilt by association? Instead, deal with how developing an
> >understanding and appreciation of living organisms and their
> ecosystems
> >could lead to inventing better methods of land development
> and resource
> >use.
> >
> >
> > > I mean even if all collecting would stop, these fishes still
> > > have the major threats to their habitats, like the poorly planned
> > > developement that was mentioned. no habitat means no fish
> >
> >There is so little collecting going on anywhere anyway. NA
> natives will
> >never catch on as aquarium fishes, except for killifishes
> and livebearers
> >(some of which HAVE suffered from over-collecting). Biologists and
> >administrators and others who name collecting as a universal
> threat are
> >coming from their own biases or ignorance. A carefully
> worded position
> >from
> >NANFA may be of some help.
> >
> >
> > > maybe we should have collected some to avoid the extinctions
> > > caused from such activities...
> >
> >I wouldn't go this route. That leads to the wacky
> perception that the fish
> >species are the problem and if they're removed-- no problem! I would
> >instead include a recognition of the importance of conserving natural
> >ecosystems instead of using a single-species approach-- how
> fish species
> >are
> >merely a part of complex and poorly understood natural
> ecosystems, and how
> >gaining a better appreciation of them could lead to a better
> appreciation
> >and understanding of the environment in which they've evolved.
> >
> >--
> >Jay DeLong
> >Olympia, WA
> >"If the biota, in the course of aeons, has built something
> we like but do
> >not understand, then who but a fool would discard seemingly
> useless parts?
> >To keep every cog and wheel is the first precaution of intelligent
> >tinkering."
> >~ Aldo Leopold (1953)
> >
> >
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