>From: "Denkhaus, Robert" <DenkhaR_at_Ci.Fort-Worth.TX.US>
>Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>To: "'nanfa_at_aquaria.net'" <nanfa at aquaria.net>
>Subject: RE: NANFA-- position on educational collecting (was Carillio in t
>he news)
>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:04:55 -0500
>
>A quick look in Roget's Thesaurus gives several synonyms for collecting:
>accumulating, amassing, gathering, bringing together, rounding up,
>assembling, flocking, massing. These, and Rob's suggestions, all give the
>idea of taking quantities and when we talk about people's or organizations'
>collections, we are usually most impressed by the number of items in the
>collection. In my mind, what we do when we go out "collecting" is really a
>version of scientific sampling. We certainly don't "collect" every
>specimen
>present and we only keep a sample of what we collect. So, with that in
>mind...how about "recreational sampling" and "educational sampling" to
>describe NANFA's former "collecting" activities?
>
>Rob Denkhaus
>Fort Worth Nature Center & Refuge
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Carillio
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:52 PM
> > To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > Subject: Re: NANFA-- position on educational collecting (was
> > Carillio in
> > the news)
> >
> >
> > Real quick... because I have to leave... I just want to
> > comment on finding a
> > new name other than collecting. I always thought this term
> > opened a can of
> > worms with DNR folf, and animal rights activists. How about
> > "Harvesting"...
> > "picking"... "selecting"...."gathering" These words, however would
> > probably demand a specific explanation, and somehow it all
> > goes back to
> > collecting! HA! :-) Suggestions????...
> >
> >
> > >From: "Jay DeLong" <thirdwind_at_att.net>
> > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > >Subject: NANFA-- position on educational collecting (was
> > Carillio in the
> > >news)
> > >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:05:51 -0700
> > >
> > > > Do you think that perhaps to clear up the misconceptions about
> > > > collecting, that NANFA as a group should formulate some type of
> > > > letter about the positive impact it can actually have,
> > >
> > >Yes. And call it "educational" collecting. Or do away with the
> > >"collecting" part alltogether if you can think of a better
> > term. That's a
> > >stupid term, don't you think? And it has a negative
> > connotation because of
> > >the illegal activities that have gone on under that same
> > name. And avoid
> > >saying that anyone has a "right" to collect or that it's an
> > individual
> > >freedom or something selfish like that.
> > >
> > >
> > > > and just outline the idea that
> > > > this is something that is not affecting natives as
> > opposed to other
> > > > affects???
> > >
> > >I'd deal with the positive effects of legal educational
> > collecting and
> > >avoid
> > >discussion on comparing its impact to habitat destruction.
> > Why even allow
> > >for guilt by association? Instead, deal with how developing an
> > >understanding and appreciation of living organisms and their
> > ecosystems
> > >could lead to inventing better methods of land development
> > and resource
> > >use.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I mean even if all collecting would stop, these fishes still
> > > > have the major threats to their habitats, like the poorly planned
> > > > developement that was mentioned. no habitat means no fish
> > >
> > >There is so little collecting going on anywhere anyway. NA
> > natives will
> > >never catch on as aquarium fishes, except for killifishes
> > and livebearers
> > >(some of which HAVE suffered from over-collecting). Biologists and
> > >administrators and others who name collecting as a universal
> > threat are
> > >coming from their own biases or ignorance. A carefully
> > worded position
> > >from
> > >NANFA may be of some help.
> > >
> > >
> > > > maybe we should have collected some to avoid the extinctions
> > > > caused from such activities...
> > >
> > >I wouldn't go this route. That leads to the wacky
> > perception that the fish
> > >species are the problem and if they're removed-- no problem! I would
> > >instead include a recognition of the importance of conserving natural
> > >ecosystems instead of using a single-species approach-- how
> > fish species
> > >are
> > >merely a part of complex and poorly understood natural
> > ecosystems, and how
> > >gaining a better appreciation of them could lead to a better
> > appreciation
> > >and understanding of the environment in which they've evolved.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Jay DeLong
> > >Olympia, WA
> > >"If the biota, in the course of aeons, has built something
> > we like but do
> > >not understand, then who but a fool would discard seemingly
> > useless parts?
> > >To keep every cog and wheel is the first precaution of intelligent
> > >tinkering."
> > >~ Aldo Leopold (1953)
> > >
> > >
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