Re: NANFA-- Building cheap fish containers

Bill Flowers (bloomin_at_indy.net)
Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:21:39 -0500

Here is a webpage of something that might fit your needs. The
manufacturer makes different connectors to connect standard black pipe
for making guard rails, stair rails, and they can also be used to make
shelving.


http://www.lkgoodwin.com//more_info/kee_klamp_pipe_fittings/kee_klamp_pipe_fittings.shtml

Bill Flowers

Todd Crail wrote:

>Another thought... Conduit is _going_ to be too thin. I'd use black steel
>pipe that's used for gas lines (or if you want a rust free solution, spend a
>bit more and go with galvanized for water). It's going to cost a bit more,
>but then you can have the advantage of threaded fittings and unbendable
>lines.
>
>Really, it'll cost less, because you'll be wasting your money on the conduit
>and have to use something else anyway ;)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Todd Crail" <farmertodd_at_buckeye-express.com>
>To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
>Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 5:38 PM
>Subject: Re: NANFA-- Building cheap fish containers
>
>
>
>
>>I'll check Monday at work to see if we can even order anything like that.
>>We do have the 3 way PVC fittings that Rob mentioned.
>>
>>Here's how Tropicorium (a coral farm and LFS) solved the issue:
>>http://www.tropicorium.com/low_tide_2.html
>>
>>These tanks are 3.5' tall, consist of block, angle braces on double 2x6's
>>and a 60 mil tarp drapped over it. The garden hoses I think help keep it
>>from bowing. The tanks are about 8'x16'... A lot of bang for the buck.
>>
>>They're in Romulus Michigan which is only about 40 minutes from here.
>>
>>
>Maybe
>
>
>>we can day trip up there sometime and look at all the corally goodness :)
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Denkhaus, Robert" <Robert.Denkhaus_at_fortworthgov.org>
>>To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
>>Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 4:16 PM
>>Subject: RE: NANFA-- Building cheap fish containers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Mark,
>>>
>>>To the best of my knowledge the only 3-way 90 degree fittings that are
>>>available are PVC. These fittings are made for making PVC lawn
>>>
>>>
>furniture
>
>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>are a bit thicker and stiffer than normal PVC fittings (Schedule 20 and
>>>Schedule 40). The problem is that they are also more expensive than
>>>
>>>
>>normal
>>
>>
>>>fittings and not as strong as metal. The strength issue could be solved
>>>
>>>
>>by
>>
>>
>>>filling the entire frame structure with cement and letting it set up. I
>>>
>>>
>>would
>>
>>
>>>recommend using mortar mix so that you won't have gravel in the mix.
>>>
>>>
>You
>
>
>>>could also add a bit of strength by slipping pieces of rebar into the
>>>
>>>
>>pipes
>>
>>
>>>before assembly.
>>>
>>>Another suggestion that I just thought of...since it appears that you
>>>
>>>
>>aren't
>>
>>
>>>looking to create anything that is very deep and won't have a lot of
>>>
>>>
>>pressure
>>
>>
>>>pushing outward...you could just use rebar for your frame. Assuming
>>>
>>>
>that
>
>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>don't have access to a welder, the frame could be constructed using wire
>>>
>>>
>>ties
>>
>>
>>>like those that are used to tie steel together when pouring concrete
>>>
>>>
>>footers
>>
>>
>>>and such. If you made a prototype that was wired together and liked it,
>>>
>>>
>>it
>>
>>
>>>may be worth finding someone to weld future ones together for you. To
>>>
>>>
>>keep
>>
>>
>>>the abrasive surface of the rebar from cutting the liner material, the
>>>
>>>
>>rebar
>>
>>
>>>could be wrapped in pipe insulation (the cylindrical stuff with a slit
>>>
>>>
>>down
>>
>>
>>>the length) and then wrapped in duct tape. Not pretty but fairly cheap
>>>
>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>functional I would think.
>>>
>>>Rob Denkhaus
>>>Fort Worth Nature Center & Refuge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Mark
>>>>Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 2:38 PM
>>>>To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>>>Subject: NANFA-- Building cheap fish containers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I haven't read the list today, so I don't know if I'm missing
>>>>anything recent, but I want to run this by all these smart and
>>>>creative people while I'm thinking about it:
>>>>
>>>>I set up a kiddie pool last night I had bought earlier to use as a
>>>>backyard fish container. It's a pastic canvas model with steel pipe
>>>>supports. Looks like it was made in Brazil. I'm going to look into
>>>>the cost of replicating this design with steel electical conduit and
>>>>fittings, if I can find the pieces I need. Then throw some cheap
>>>>liner material over it. I want to try this as a design for a
>>>>raceway/mini-riffle for breeding darters and madtoms. Any good ideas
>>>>for corner fittings to assemble lengths of steel conduit pipe into a
>>>>box-shaped frame? I suppose iron plumbing pipe would work, but it
>>>>has to be much more expensive than the conduit. I need a corner
>>>>fitting that will accept conduit pipe at 90 degrees in three
>>>>directions. In other words, two pipes for the horizontal supports
>>>>and one pipe for the vertical support (and one of these assemblies
>>>>for each corner of the pool). Alternatively, I could use 90 degree
>>>>couplings, and then use "T" couplings nearby for the verticals. Does
>>>>that make sense? Any ideas about what I can use for these couplings?
>>>>Maybe these are common parts and I just need to go to the hardware
>>>>store? Thanks!
>>>>--
>>>>Mark
>>>>Ohio
>>>>USA
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