RE: NANFA-- Tank for Johnson County Library
BILL HOPPE (zzzzzzbill_at_yahoo.com)
Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:17:09 -0800 (PST)
Check out NFCs adopt a tank program .Not sure about
the tank but a lot of equipment can be available .
--- m c <midgatutordigests_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> OK, so the grist of this is:
> get the tank if possible, and then us we did it, and
> mention that it would look better with fish in it?
> Ok.
>
> On the education grants: I would feel funny applying
> for the high school teacher's grant because
> technically, I'm not one yet. I won't be "official"
> until the contract is signed. And the other grant
> seems to be for people buildng outdoor ecosystmes or
> field work.
>
> The only "financial" support from NANFA for the
> Library tank that I hope to get is in the form of
> fish, and I have a way of compensating for that by
> providing receits documenting the donation for tax
> purposes. (and maybe some server space for a pic of
> the compleated project)
>
> The Library Board is happy to provide space for the
> tank, as long as they don't have to spend anything
> but
> the water to fill it. (they are paying for recent
> roof
> repairs and are still fighing the county for the
> money
> they were suppost to get 6 years ago to make the
> building handicap accessible.)
>
> I would just buy a tank myself, but I make 40$ a day
> intermitently as a sub (today was show up for Math
> with no books, or pencils, or paper because it is
> Friday and we know we have a sub again because the
> teacher is in labour still day). I would just place
> one of my old 10 gals, but they are all scratched
> and
> wouldn't be very impressive. I would put my 20, but
> I
> plan to use it in the classroom.
>
> So I won't commit NANFA to anything, but instead
> just
> list NANFA as providing "Technical support" so that
> those whom I am soliciting for "Material support"
> won't think that I am just a lone nut.
>
> For now, I'll just take any lack of comment from the
> peanut gallery as silent consent.
>
> Thus endeth the Planter's commecial...
>
> --- "Crail, Todd" <tcrail_at_northshores.com> wrote:
> > Let's start from the beginning and I'll move
> forward
> > with your other questions
> > that it seems you've not gotten any private
> repsonse
> > on either. Perhaps this
> > will address some other things that may be sitting
> > in the background.
> >
> > I've recently spent a considerable amount of time
> > writting about projects that
> > I think would help NANFA, draw people to NANFA,
> and
> > just serve in the good
> > name of conservation. General response was "yeah
> > that would be great!",
> > however, as you may have noticed regarding how to
> > distribute a presentation,
> > as an example... The core topic *immediately* gets
> > sidetracked with operating
> > systems, distribution method, who will do the
> work,
> > "I have this software that
> > I'll offer my services" "that software is inferior
> > to this product", etc.
> > This is not a criticsm, this is just the way
> things
> > are when you have a whole
> > bunch of people trying to work over emails. And
> so
> > that got me thinking...
> >
> > I had an off the record discussion with one of
> > NANFA's active members about
> > how they feel concerning NANFA type projects, as I
> > could clearly see, that by
> > just posting a quick little ditty without any
> > thought given to it brought a
> > tsunami of emails back and forth. It was a good
> > illustration of why people
> > who *happen* to be NANFA members just *do
> projects*
> > and *then report* back to
> > NANFAns about the project. This member offered
> wise
> > advice:
> >
> > "Do what you were going to do anyway and then
> modify
> > it where necessary to
> > make it fit better into NANFA."
> >
> > That was concerning software. Does software have
> a
> > tangible cost? You bet.
> > I bill out at $150 an hour when I do this stuff at
> > work, however, that's my
> > donation when I set something up that NANFA can
> use,
> > and I'm okay with making
> > that kind of donation because I believe in NANFA
> as
> > a *distribution method*
> > for my causes, and that their mission is within
> line
> > with my causes.
> >
> > I'd like to point out that "fit better into NANFA"
> > can have two meanings, and
> > I'll address the one that I think is appropriate.
> > What I've determined was
> > implied in this, and I think a lot of other
> > education-based active members
> > have determined, is that we're doing what we're
> > doing because we have a
> > passion for educating others about our native fish
> > and the ecosystems that
> > support them. So this may be more appropriately
> > worded "do in a manner that
> > NANFA can and would want to distribute as
> materials
> > that meet the *entity* of
> > NANFA's goals." NANFA is not in charge of what
> > members would like to do. It
> > does have the right, however, to determine if it
> > would like to spend it's
> > resources to take that project a step further or
> > reward those members
> > financially or with some step of recognition.
> >
> > So... Any project a member would want to do, sure
> > it's great to have support
> > and financing, but I think it would be wise to
> only
> > expect an "attaboy" in
> > return from *anyone*. Many NANFA members have
> taken
> > it upon themselves to
> > place aquariums in public places. They absorb the
> > costs, don't ask for
> > anything, but willingly place some mention of
> NANFA
> > because *they feel* NANFA
> > as *an entity* can help distribute, enhance or
> > reinforce their causes.
> >
> > And before I cause assumptions to be made, let me
> > say that there's absolutely
> > *nothing* wrong for asking others to help absorb
> > costs for a project you'd
> > like to do to promote native fish. The worst that
> > could be said is "no" or
> > nobody responding to emails.
> >
> > To be blunt, the only way NANFA has commit to
> > serving *anyone* or *any cause*
> > financially is thru the two grants that have been
> > made possible by
> > memberships, auctions and the generous
> contributions
> > that some NANFA members
> > and two families make yearly to the entity of
> NANFA.
> >
> > You have some great project ideas, I would
> encourage
> > you to apply for the
> > Corcoran Grant
> http://www.nanfa.org/conservation.htm
> > Talk to Rob Denkhaus if
> > you haven't already, he'd mentioned the grant on
> > Wendesday, and he's a great
> > guy to talk with and can probably help nuture your
> > ideas, as this is his role
> > in serving NANFA. Also, look at what the
> recipients
> > did in the last 3 years
> > for the grants. You will quickly see how their
> > ambitions fit into NANFA's
> > scope and why NANFA rewarded them financially.
> And,
> > you also may notice, that
> > these projects were all going to be done wether
> > NANFA gave them anything or
> > not.
> >
> > This is how the entity of NANFA formally offers
> it's
> > financial commitment to
>
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Bill Hoppe
Yellville Arkansas
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