Re: NANFA-- mmmmm...

William Hoppe (whoppe_at_leadhill.net)
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:32:11 -0600

Went camping in the Indiana dunes in the 50s .Facinating area .A shame to
think of it being degraded .
Bill Hoppe
Yellville Arkansas
A gathering of fish heads --its smelly but fun.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Crail, Todd" <tcrail_at_northshores.com>
To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: NANFA-- mmmmm...

> Wow.
>
> ~500,000 Acres sound about right? Check out the KANKAKEE - IROQUOIS
segment.
> http://www.inhs.uiuc.edu/cwe/rra/rra.html
>
> I think Ranger Bob's tagline is appropriate here, but this gives a bit of
> hope:
> http://midwest.fws.gov/planning/kanknews1.htm
>
> And to think it was all sand barrens and dunes to the north and east...
And
> the gateway to the massive prairies to the west... and they stuck Gary,
> Indiana right in the middle of it. But, life persists... We saw lupine
and
> puccoon right along the turnpike behind a trailer park in Gary last
spring.
>
> So... May trip next year on the Kankakee (where legal of course)??? I'm
only
> 4 hours away :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Crail, Todd
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:55 PM
> To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Subject: RE: NANFA-- mmmmm...
>
>
> Here's an abstract Scott:
>
> http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/index.html?ts=1041280678
>
> Click on search, go down to "KANKAKEE RIVER A WATERWAY TO TREASURE" Seems
it
> was Sept 19, 1999. That might get you somewhere if you have the Tribune
on
> disc or microfiche at the library? Or maybe as a subscriber you have
> permission to look?
>
> You're right. Google is a mess on this one :)
>
> If you can't find it, let me know off list.. I'll see if our friends
who're
> doing restoration there for TNC can lend us a lead. I'll keep looking for
> the
> prairie info too, as I have a similar interest in this. I wouldn't be
> suprised if it were the largest marsh. Anywhere you have sand on top of
> clay,
> sand piles in places... And in between the dunes, the trapped water makes
> for
> an elaborate mass of rushes, sedges and the most fantastic forbs :) And
> there's a whole lotta sand piled up there.
>
> You do realize that one of these days you Illinois boyz are gonna have to
> show
> me the real prairie/sand barrens/dunes right? This Ohio 8,000 years older
> remnant stuff we're fighting tooth and nail to protect gets old sometimes
> ("Whee... another 10' dune no body cares if it gets plowed over and
> developed").
>
> I wanna see some REAL dunes! And mountains of lupine... oh take me there!
:)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: unclescott
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:46 PM
> To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Subject: Re: NANFA-- mmmmm...
>
>
> > Well Ray... What do you think? The Wisconsin Marsh water table about
the
> same? All we'd need is a backhoe and some cattle troughs :)
>
> Speaking of former marshes...list thoughts on what happened to too much of
> Ohio a while back made me ponder the fate of NE Illinois.
>
> Read a book review (Chicago Tribune) of a new work on this area some time
> back. The very favorable review noted that the region stretching from the
> Kankakee River to former sand dunes of what is now Chicago and into
> Indiana's Calumet region was a huge marshland, now drained, farmed,
> urbanized, suburbanized and sometimes obscenely channelized. The review
> contended this was the largest march in the country at one time -
improbable
> as that sounds. Indeed a word for wetland in the Algonquin languages is
> Kankakee...
>
> I can't remember the name of the book to recommend it. And it was going to
> be on my wanted list.
>
> Google searches give lots of works on Illinois by somebody named Carol
Marsh
> along with 640,000 other hits.
>
> Would anybody, off hand, know what that work is?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
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