Re: NANFA-- "Ugliest fish in North America"

anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th
Wed, 07 Jan 2004 01:55:10 +0700

Hmm... Very often people in 3rd world who treat nature harshly are
either newcomers migrating around to new lands or people in the last
few generations who abandon the old ways and want other ways of life..

Tony

Steffen Hellner wrote:
>
> I share your hope of things changing but when I look at the coming
> generation I see only tech, drugs, fun, sex, cars, money and most of all -
> no responsibility. The last time I had to select young people for education
> as advertising professional I didn4t take any of the candidates and left the
> position vacant. None of them was in any way reflecting, responsible or
> ambitioned. Sad to say. I am happy every time I meet a young person whos
> brain is working independently from mass consum and time smashing.
>
> The other side of the medal: nowhere in the world nature is treated worse
> than in the underdeveloped countries. They are not closer to nature by mind
> rather than only by situation. They destroy their land, pollute their waters
> and kill their native animals faster and more consequently than we in Europe
> or North America have ever done. The Bison can be happy not to have lived in
> Asia or Africa.
>
> Steffen
>
> > Von: "Todd Crail" <farmertodd_at_buckeye-express.com>
> > Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > Datum: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:58:33 -0500
> > An: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > Betreff: Re: NANFA-- "Ugliest fish in North America"
> >
> > The lunchtime rant... ;)
> >
> > I agree Steffen... For a global change, it would have to be something of a
> > spiritual reawakening where people cast aside the major ideologies and
> > distractions of consumerism and begin living in the now so the future
> > becomes much more clear to each individual. That's not to say they start
> > living less comfortably... But more so that they stop believing the lie
> that
> > "things" and products should make them happy. An entire transformation
> > occurrs when a person comes upon that epiphany.
> >
> > Their dislocation from nature (if you can get them out in it) is a
> wonderful
> > vector for that epiphany. It is my ambition to help lead as many people as
> > possible _comfortably_ into this world I understand and know so well, that
> > they can also.
> >
> > I also think the divorce of consumerism is a core tenant to all major
> > religions (theistic and non-theistic alike) and I would argue that with so
> > many people finding themselves fortunate enough to get solid educations (A
> > conundrum for sure! Had to get money to not lust for money!), that the
> > dogma and extremism that have plagued our spiritual outlets can be stripped
> > away, and people will begin discovering their spiritual selves.
> > Economically, I see a similar pattern where Executives can not hide behind
> > their accountants or interests any longer. Politically, I can't wait to
> see
> > what this next election brings. Hopefully not apathy because "the votes
> > didn't count". In any case, it seems that a growing minority are beginning
> > to understand enough about their world that they're ready to account for
> > themselves, and not get led around like a flock of sheep.
> >
> > And those same kids that were distracted with toys and tech as
> > babysitters... They aren't as a whole buying it like generations past.
> > They're more educated as a group than any other generation (which hopefully
> > continues its accumulating pattern), acknowledge what's happened (listen to
> > the current "alternative music" lyrics, 'Linkin Park' for example), and
> they
> > are pissssed off about it. They're the easy targets :)
> >
> > Their parents... _Much_ more like what you describe, but I haven't given
> > hope up on them yet. I've seen so many examples of small changes that I
> > don't feel so hopeless that they aren't accumulating into bigger changes.
> > In any case, I'm not going to stop providing the "local" with my "global".
> >
> > Certainly, this is an American perspective on American logistics and
> > culture... Unfortunately, I do not feel I have enough breadth in my World
> > scope to say how it is elsewhere. I would say in the "developing" world,
> > tho, that the people are still close enough with the Earth that they can be
> > steered away from what has taken a near century for the Industrialized West
> > to understand. I have hope that this is true.
> >
> > With that all in mind... Today is a good day to go take a walk at the park.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steffen Hellner" <steffen_at_hellner.biz>
> > To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: NANFA-- "Ugliest fish in North America"
> >
> >
> >> Nicely argumented. But I tend to see and treat things more simple after
> >> having thought about it again and again for two decades:
> >>
> >> 1st: The majority of people all around the world generally looks at nature
> >> conservation not as protecting our natural basis but as an "extra" we can
> >> afford as long as economy is well off. If not so, then it is obsolet.
> > Money
> >> comes first. Or did I misunderstand you, Mr. Bush? Or Mr.
> >> President/Chancellor of most countries and most firms around the globe?
> >>
> >> 2nd: Idiots of all kind and groups have trained the younger generations to
> >> play Gameboy, Playstation, be interested in fancy cars, cloths, fashion,
> >> money, career and whatever is profitable for industry and trade. Not
> >> reading, learning, thinking, not at least caring seriously for environment
> >> and our future. The big play must go on. It4s enough to have some tigers,
> >> crocs, and Pandas in the zoos.
> >>
> >> 3rd: People tend to take the smooth way. Opportunism rules everywhere. And
> >> mediocracy. And the majority is either too dumn, too lazy or too much
> > bound
> >> to particular interests to be able or willing to change something. This
> >> could mean to get problems. Very few people are willing to take that risk.
> >> Still, if one is really active in doing something he is widely seen and
> >> treated as an "ecological nuts".
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