Re: NANFA-- Re: Angry Pupfish

Brian Bastarache (bast_at_ici.net)
Wed, 06 Jun 2001 22:03:09 -0400

At 08:26 PM 6/6/01 -0500, >Luke wrote:
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>This discussion has regressed into exactly what I though it would. A few
>"wise" men telling all us idiots that things aren't right out
>there. DUH!!! why do you think we are concerned?!? Just because YOU
>and a few other people think one solution is the answer does not make it
>the ONLY answer to the problem.

(Re)
Huh. I just posted something about how I though this was a great way to
challenge personal opions, convictions and such. I though the debate was
stimulating. I thought this was a good diverse group to exercise the
brain. I've been wrong before.

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>This is EXACTLY how "eco-nazis" view things...their way or no way and
>someone is going to get hurt over it since after all they are
>"enlightened" and know it all.
>
>So, here is my challenge to you, Chrsi, Jay and everyone else out there
>from the top down. Stop whining about this and that problem, or this and
>that past mistake and get off your ass and DO something! ANYTHING! Just
>shut up and make a difference. Sitting on here and crying in your milk
>won't get anything done. Get out and educate, call a senator or
>congressman, hell, get involved with NANFA and get it off it's butt and
>start getting involved in national issues. There was a big stinking fight
>here several years ago and we lost good men over it because people thought
>they had the right "vision" of the future. I'm SICK OF IT!!!! Put up or
>shut up!!! Buy a damn electric car, build a house (but don't bulldoze a
>few weeds and bugs to do it!) out of recycled material, or hell go blow up
>some dams...I don't care! Just DO something.
>
>I call my senators and congressmen or email them and tell them my views on
>environmental issues. I talk to people whenever I get a chance about
>problems with the environment. In the NFC I've establishe and education
>display at my universty that has native fish and discusses briefly the
>problems they face as part of the Adopt A Tank program. (gasp! the
>"other" guys are actually doing something!!!! I'm even a regional
>rep. for them and considered volunteering my services in such a capacity
>to NANFA...but damned if I don't get tired of all you little whiny jerks
>that cry and cry and don't do a damn thing except criticize others for
>their ideas! Case in point is the eleven year old kid who wrote here a
>while back with questions on natives and he was LAUGHED AT because of his
>spelling errors and people treated him like dirt! GOOD GOING
>dumbasses! that's really educating the next generation isn't it?
>

(Re)
I have no need to post my resume, tell of my donated time and effort, or
how I spend my 40+ hours a week. Some of you know. If anyone else were
interested they would ask. I have no need to display what I have "put up".
As for the people who squashed the kid, I agree they suck!

>When is the next NANFA election? Some things need to change around here
>and I want to run for the BOD and change them!
>
(Re)
So, what is going on must be wrong. Maybe you can fix it the RIGHT way.

(Re)
I thought this was a good diverse group to exercise the brain. I've been
wrong before.

Brian
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>P.s. This is in reply to the whole issue(s) being discussed, not just the
>one below, I just decided to reply and figured I'd reply to this one.
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>On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Brian Bastarache wrote:
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>> At 07:55 AM 6/6/01 -0700, you wrote:
>> >I do not believe that if given proper care, the C. diabolis that becomes a
>> >larger fish with better finnage stops being a C. diabolis. The harsh
>> >environment in which they naturally live, limits their full potential and
>> >the fish are merely surviving. Given a good environment the fish
thrive and
>> >look much more beautiful.
>>
>>
>> But in argument was to use these animals as a "bank" to one day return to
>> the Devil's Hole site. These tank bred fish MAY have an edge and
>> out-compete the natural phenotype. The pup fish we know and love would
>> dissappear...OR..Just as bad interbreed with the natural fish. Either way
>> we would be loosing gentic information. And that is what this is mostly
>> about.
>>
>> Every species has a library in its genes. A library with information that
>> has been written of the last 3.5 billion years. Would you support the
>> burning of books, much less libraries?
>>
>> Brina Bastarache
>>
>>
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