For instance, when we visited Paint Rock (AL) earlier this year, we
discoverd a johnny darter in a stream that was apparently way out of its
range. Also, I have found several types of sunfish in place in GA where
(according to the books) they are not supposed to be. Once again, the need
for a "Fishes of Georgia" is huge. Whoever ends up writing it will be my
hero instantly! In the meantime, my curiosity is sufficiently piqued to
warrant another visit to Sallicoa to collect more of these renegades and
find out exactly what they are. That way, if I turn out to be mistaken, I
can eat one of the non-marinated specimens for my earlier brash claim. (-:
Nice pics!
Steven A. Ellis
Kennesaw, GA
Court Jester to the King of Swish
At 03:36 PM 9/30/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I have had both catenatus and stellifer in my tanks
>this summer and I agree that the females are
>particularly difficult to separate, but the males in
>color are easy. both these fish can jump
>spectacularly and its great fun to watch a catenatus
>skip like a rock across the water when it feels
>trapped. I have caught catenatus in Kentucky,
>Tennessee, Virginia, Alabama, Arkansas, Missouri and
>Indiana. Stellifer in Tennessee (Conasauga
>watershed), Georgia and Alabama as far south as Monroe
>county. So it would seem, catenatus is primarily a
>ohio, tennessee, Mississippi drainage fish while
>stellifer having a much smaller range is found in the
>gulf drainage primarily. What with the proliferation
>of exotics, I wouldnt be surprised if there are somee
>populations that have made it over sand mountain,
>since their ranges abutt each other there. It might
>be a good idea to send the fish you caught to Dr.
>Jamie Thomerson, who has studied Catenatus extensively
>and compared them to stellifer.
>
>--- Bruce Stallsmith <fundulus_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the picture, Klaus. There isn't a sharp
>> physical difference
>> between catenatus and stellifer; I think that
>> stellifer can get bigger, is
>> more robust and has a range defined on the northwest
>> by the barrier of Sand
>> Mountain in northeastern Alabama. The sharpest
>> difference I have noticed
>> between the two is that stellifers are _very_ prone
>> to jumping, while I've
>> never had a catenatus jump. I don't have the
>> literature in front of me to
>> point out diffs in scale count, etc., but in purely
>> cladistic terms I would
>> rate "tendency to jump" as a major character state.
>>
>> --Bruce Stallsmith
>> Huntsville, AL, US of A
>>
>> >With all the confusion over catenatus and stellifer
>> I
>> >asked Jay to post a picture of a catenatus I took
>> >...The quality is not up to my standards but its
>> >adequate to see what this fish looks like.
>> Hopefully
>> >that Georgia fish isnt a bifax lol.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Here they are:
>> >http://www.nanfa.org/misc/fcatenatus_redriver.jpg
>> >(reduced size)
>> >
>> >http://www.nanfa.org/misc/catenatus_redriver.jpg
>> (full
>> >size)
>> >
>> >
>> >Thany you Jay for posting the pics.
>> >
>> >Klaus
>>
>>
>>
>>
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