Re: NANFA-- choices

Robert Carillio (darterman_at_hotmail.com)
Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:45:06 EDT

I agree with you. I guess the brightest hope is in educating the next
generation to take better care of the place. I hope that there will still be
something left to educate them about, though. Even IF we could leave the
planet tomorrow, and go somewhere else, the only people who would be able to
afford the "airfare" would be the Donald Trumps, and The Bill Gates!...
HA!... in this "NEW" world, the practice of destruction will be born once
again. There are some who feel that money will always "save" them, but there
could come a day where even the richest person will have no place to run and
hide. If a ne world exhisted someday, and if only the elite will be the ones
who go... Then how will a developing consumer driven economy work, when half
the buying market will be gone???... I know this is a dream, but let us just
at least entertain that thought. How would a Taco Bell, Wal-Mart,economy
car market, etc. last when all the people that those markets cater to, will
be gone????... Just a thought!

>From: Ty_Hall_at_eFunds.Com
>Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>Subject: Re: NANFA-- choices
>Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:06:23 -0500
>
>
>Traditional resources no, but traditional fuel types will not allow that
>kind of travel, so it becomes a moot point. In order to realize the promise
>of leaving this planet new forms of travel and propulsion will have to be
>invented. Our current technology will not support the types of travel
>needed to reach out of our own solar system. IMHO.
>
>I also don't know about the fact that we need to leave the earth to sustain
>our own existence. I do feel that some tough decisions will need to be made
>in the next 100 years and our ability to make those decision, before it's
>too late, will be key. Things like limiting population growth, strict land
>use regulation and such are not popular themes. Bringing these up will
>quickly shatter any politicians hopes of holding office, but those are the
>kinds of things that will need to be addressed. I also feel that for
>mankind to exist on this planet we need to drop this national interest crap
>and inhabit the planet as Earthlings/Human Beings instead of as Europeans
>or Americans or Chinese or whatever. The entire planet needs to be "One
>nation under God(s)." If we can do that and get past our petty human
>differences, then the future looks bright. On a small scale we have been
>able to do many great things. In many respects the environment is in better
>shape now then it was 50 years ago. But there is a lot to be done and some
>very large obstacles to overcome. We have the power to do it, are we smart
>enough to realize it? The cynic in me says no, mankind will kill itself
>fighting over petty differences and meaningless border wars. The optimist
>in me says yes and it will be glorious. The realist in me says I will see
>neither and pray for my children and grandchildren to have the wisdom and
>the strength to succeed where we failed.
>
>My $.02 worth (may be less depending on your ideals)
>
>Ty "That's enough deep thought for a Monday" Hall
>
>
>
>Very good points!.. I would like to know how we are going to "get off" the
>planet in the first place, because the question that enters my mind is
>"Will
>there be enough "fuel resources" left to get us outta here by the time that
>time comes????
>
> >From: Moontanman_at_aol.com
> >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> >To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> >Subject: Re: NANFA-- choices
> >Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 07:23:01 EDT
> >
> >In a message dated 9/9/00 3:38:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >normane_at_edelendoors.com writes:
> >
> ><< n the long run, none of this matters. There is no way to curb the
>human
> > population growth, and we will just have to give up nature in favor of
> >human
> > survival. Trees, meadows, polar ice, and yes, even fish are all going
>to
> >be
> > given up in the name of survival of this building swarm of people.
> > >>
> >Unfortunately you are correct, but off world colonies as you say are not
> >intended to relieve the over population here no more than emigrating from
> >Europe relieved the population pressure there when the "new" world was
> >discovered. Off world colonies would be great for the individuals lucky
> >enough to take advantage of the opportunity but in the long run it would
> >just
> >be a way of getting all our eggs out of the same basket in case of a
> >planetary disaster. Or in the case of terraforming spread life away from
> >earth kinda like the earths biosphere reproducing with us as the gametes.
> >I think humans are destined to spread through out the galaxy, if we don't
> >we'll die, it's as simple as that. The earth can't support us forever,
>(We
> >foul our own nest) sooner or later, to survive, we'll have to make our
>own
> >ecosystems and habitats. Lets hope we have the sense to take as much of
>the
> >earths biosphere with us as we can.
> >
> >
>Moon
>
>
>
>
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