Re: NANFA-- Swine Creek... the real swine

Robert Carillio (darterman_at_cboss.com)
Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:05:03 -0500

Casper.. You story below is one of which I smile to the story of hearing
about the fish, but makes me frown when I heard about the "other" signs of
wildlife!

I'll bet anything that from what you describe the litter to be, that
someone is using the place as a place to dump their household garbage. This
could be added to that earlier discussion we were having a couple weeks back
about "LITTERBUGS".....

If I were you, I would see if you can get someone from your solid waste
district to look into this. Depending whether or not it's on private
property, makes a difference too, in getting someone from local government
agencies to get off their butts and look at this as well.

If this is being dumped in streams, you should have a valid beef here...
The clean water act should cover this to my knowledge. The diaper part
grosses me out... To think someone would rather keep a kid's butt clean,
than drinking water he drinks!!! HA!

Seriously, though,,,, I would at least report this to someone... We have
things like this go on around here, but those who are in a position to blow
the whistle on it, rarely do what I expect them to do. Also, if you can GET
PICTURES!!!!!

Ok.. I hope someone else out here on the list can comment on what to do to
be effective about combusting this problem. Here, we are told to be stream
watchers and report such activity, yet those who tell us to do this won't
do anything about it....

Maybe this is just Ohio EPA. I know there are wonderful people who work
with them and many seem handcuffed by a pro-business legislative body who
appoints the directors. Nevertheless.. this should be not tolerated, even
by local law enforcement under illegal dumping codes, if you have such
codes in the area...

Rob C.

Creek... the real swine

> clear water always beckons rob... thanks for the invite.
> next week it is in ne ms i hope. a detour would most likely provide it. if
> you were closer rob in ohio i would be there pronto.
> this weekend i had major dissappointment again in experiencing heavy
> siltation of a former wonder stream. the tellico river. i was able to
snorkle
> the nearby citico to some degree of success. greenfin darters, longnose
dace,
> rosy side dace were the highlights. several miles downstream the variety
> changed dramatically. this is becoming an interest of mine how a streams
> inhabatants can change in just a short distance. i want to learn more of
this.
> the next day my son and i treked on a very rough road to what i thought
was a
> promising remote site. just a few humans can make far more of a wallowing
> mess than a herd of swine. trash was strewn everywhere. beer cans, pop
cans,
> diapers, nasty toilet paper, smoldering fires, horse crap, trash, trash,
> trash. they had 4 wheelers and had flat out tore up everything. every
water
> hole was completely muddied. every water stream crossing was rutted. silt
> covered every rock. visibility was less than a foot. i was able to walk
> upstream beyond the wreckage and observe stonerollers, black nose dace,
lots
> of creek chubbs, bass and sunfish. i was hoping for more and may have
found
> it downstream if the water was clear. this was hellbender territory. i had
> been to this spot several years ago and had high hopes for the return. am
i
> discouraged and pissed off. this has been the year when i have really seen
> what we are doing to our mountain streams in tennessee.
> discouraged and frustrated,
> casper

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