Steffen
> Von: anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th
> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Datum: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:41:19 +0700
> An: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Betreff: Re: NANFA-- Fish Non-Release Policy, welaka, better than welaka
>
> I think threatening and courting male fishes are the most beautiful
> and interesting sight both in the wild and in the aquarium [eg. when
> my male red shiners contest each other and make circles]. Wondering
> does SRBD keep their bellies red most of the time [like red shiner] or
> just during the spawning season?
>
> Tony
> anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th
>
>
>
> Steffen Hellner wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> that sounds reasonable to me. Only one thing to raise for reflection: I
>> assume welaka to be the Holy Graile only because it4s native, relatively
>> rare, and difficult to maintain and breed. Plus the dominant males
>> suppressing the others. if a tropical fish would be as sensitive and
>> difficult I bet hardly anybody would care. It4s always nice to have the "on
>> the edge" species. I am not free from this! There has to be a thrill, an
>> impact on a species, whatever this will be for an individual. That4s what
>> divides enthusiasts from mere fish-keepers - in my mind.
>>
>> And try to get a hand on Phoxinus oreas from here. If that species is nearly
>> as prolific as SRBD, gee, go flood all ponds in the world. ;-)
>>
>> Steffen
>>
>>> Von: Mark <nanfa_at_jonahsaquarium.com>
>>> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>> Datum: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:54:05 -0400
>>> An: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>> Betreff: NANFA-- Fish Non-Release Policy, welaka, better than welaka
>>>
>>> At 1:16 PM -0500 9/15/03, Hoover, Jan J ERDC-EL-MS wrote:
>>>> Like NANFA, Partners in Amphibian and Reptile Conservation (an
>> organization
>>>> for herp enthusiasts) also has a policy on not releasing captive animals.
>>>> You can access their brochure here:
>>>> http://www.parcplace.org/publications/index.htm#PARCanimalPolicy
>>>> Something like this should be included in any order of aquatic organisms
>>>> bought, sold, or traded by anyone.
>>>
>>>
>>> We inlcude this notice with all shipments:
>>>
>>> http://www.jonahsaquarium.com/noreleasenote.htm
>>>
>>> Help yourself if you or anyone wants to use it. That's what it's
>>> there for. Also, maybe we can do more to promote captive breeding.
>>> One successful breeder could produce enough welaka or whatever to
>>> supply all the native fish heads I know of who want them. (I think
>>> Steffen already said that!) Also, all this focus of attention on
>>> welaka, as though it were some Holy Grail of fishes, is likely to
>>> only intensify pressure on the species. I'll chime in now and say
>>> that Phoxinus oreas is the fish I've always considered the standard
>>> for beautiful color and form. If you can get hold of a copy of
>>> Freshwater Fishes of Virginia, there's a perfect one among the color
>>> plates in the back, it's also in the monster Axelrod tropical fish
>>> atlas; Plate 17 in American Aquarium Fishes by Robert J. Goldstein;
>>> and plate 67 in Freshwater Fishes of the Carolinas, Virginia,
>>> Maryland and Delaware. Here's a less than perfect shot:
>>>
>>> http://www.jonahsaquarium.com/picphoxoreas1.htm
>>>
>>> Six reasons not to catch Pteronotropis welaka for your aquarium:
>>>
>>> They are very fragile and drop dead if you look at them sideways.
>>>
>>> They are tiny, defenseless little fish that will be destroyed by any
>>> tankmate bigger than a baby Heterandria formosa.
>>>
>>> They likely only live for a year even under optimal circumstances.
>>>
>>> The males are the only ones that are colorful and they only have the
>>> color and long fins if they are in full breeding condition and happen
>>> to be a primary male, or whatever the term is, that happens to have
>>> the long finnage. Many mature males do not display this character.
>>>
>>> They are very difficult to collect, prefering waters that are deep,
>>> dark and unwadable. Their habitat in also prefered by alligators and
>>> water moccasins.
>>>
>>> There are _lots_ of fish that are easier to collect, easier to keep,
>>> easier to breed, _and_ more colorful! And which are not in trouble
>>> in the wild. If you need recommendations, let me know.
>>>
>>> There, I did my bit for welaka conservation. Maybe NANFA can write
>>> its own grant proposal and use some of the Conservation Grants monies
>>> to recruit a qualified researcher to do some hard field and
>>> literature work to find out what's really up with welaka and how it
>>> can be preserved. OK, stepping off soap box...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark
>>> Ohio
>>> USA
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