The SRBD spawned even without showing colours - that4s what I wondered
about. There was tiny fry when the adults were off colour for some weeks
already. Strange. But the fry is nice to watch growing.
Steffen
> Von: anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th
> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Datum: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 03:35:06 +0700
> An: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Betreff: Re: NANFA-- Fish Non-Release Policy, welaka, better than welaka
>
> Thanks. I don't know water temp can get that high in Germany. Maybe
> different population of srbd have different temp tolerance.
>
> Tony
> anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th
>
> Steffen Hellner wrote:
>>
>> My SRBD kept colour until end of April and spawned until mid of June. They
>> come from Kentucky. I have had some from Ohio years ago which kept colour
in
>> aquarium for very much longer, but this year temperatures were high in the
>> pond, close to 30 centigrades. At lower temps they will keep it longer.
>>
>> Steffen
>>
>>> Von: anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th
>>> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>> Datum: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:41:19 +0700
>>> An: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>> Betreff: Re: NANFA-- Fish Non-Release Policy, welaka, better than welaka
>>>
>>> I think threatening and courting male fishes are the most beautiful
>>> and interesting sight both in the wild and in the aquarium [eg. when
>>> my male red shiners contest each other and make circles]. Wondering
>>> does SRBD keep their bellies red most of the time [like red shiner] or
>>> just during the spawning season?
>>>
>>> Tony
>>> anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steffen Hellner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mark,
>>>>
>>>> that sounds reasonable to me. Only one thing to raise for reflection: I
>>>> assume welaka to be the Holy Graile only because it4s native, relatively
>>>> rare, and difficult to maintain and breed. Plus the dominant males
>>>> suppressing the others. if a tropical fish would be as sensitive and
>>>> difficult I bet hardly anybody would care. It4s always nice to have the
"on
>>>> the edge" species. I am not free from this! There has to be a thrill, an
>>>> impact on a species, whatever this will be for an individual. That4s
what
>>>> divides enthusiasts from mere fish-keepers - in my mind.
>>>>
>>>> And try to get a hand on Phoxinus oreas from here. If that species is
>>>> nearly
>>>> as prolific as SRBD, gee, go flood all ponds in the world. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Steffen
>>>>
>>>>> Von: Mark <nanfa_at_jonahsaquarium.com>
>>>>> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>>>> Datum: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:54:05 -0400
>>>>> An: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>>>> Betreff: NANFA-- Fish Non-Release Policy, welaka, better than welaka
>>>>>
>>>>> At 1:16 PM -0500 9/15/03, Hoover, Jan J ERDC-EL-MS wrote:
>>>>>> Like NANFA, Partners in Amphibian and Reptile Conservation (an
>>>> organization
>>>>>> for herp enthusiasts) also has a policy on not releasing captive
animals.
>>>>>> You can access their brochure here:
>>>>>> http://www.parcplace.org/publications/index.htm#PARCanimalPolicy
>>>>>> Something like this should be included in any order of aquatic
organisms
>>>>>> bought, sold, or traded by anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We inlcude this notice with all shipments:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.jonahsaquarium.com/noreleasenote.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Help yourself if you or anyone wants to use it. That's what it's
>>>>> there for. Also, maybe we can do more to promote captive breeding.
>>>>> One successful breeder could produce enough welaka or whatever to
>>>>> supply all the native fish heads I know of who want them. (I think
>>>>> Steffen already said that!) Also, all this focus of attention on
>>>>> welaka, as though it were some Holy Grail of fishes, is likely to
>>>>> only intensify pressure on the species. I'll chime in now and say
>>>>> that Phoxinus oreas is the fish I've always considered the standard
>>>>> for beautiful color and form. If you can get hold of a copy of
>>>>> Freshwater Fishes of Virginia, there's a perfect one among the color
>>>>> plates in the back, it's also in the monster Axelrod tropical fish
>>>>> atlas; Plate 17 in American Aquarium Fishes by Robert J. Goldstein;
>>>>> and plate 67 in Freshwater Fishes of the Carolinas, Virginia,
>>>>> Maryland and Delaware. Here's a less than perfect shot:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.jonahsaquarium.com/picphoxoreas1.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Six reasons not to catch Pteronotropis welaka for your aquarium:
>>>>>
>>>>> They are very fragile and drop dead if you look at them sideways.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are tiny, defenseless little fish that will be destroyed by any
>>>>> tankmate bigger than a baby Heterandria formosa.
>>>>>
>>>>> They likely only live for a year even under optimal circumstances.
>>>>>
>>>>> The males are the only ones that are colorful and they only have the
>>>>> color and long fins if they are in full breeding condition and happen
>>>>> to be a primary male, or whatever the term is, that happens to have
>>>>> the long finnage. Many mature males do not display this character.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are very difficult to collect, prefering waters that are deep,
>>>>> dark and unwadable. Their habitat in also prefered by alligators and
>>>>> water moccasins.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are _lots_ of fish that are easier to collect, easier to keep,
>>>>> easier to breed, _and_ more colorful! And which are not in trouble
>>>>> in the wild. If you need recommendations, let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> There, I did my bit for welaka conservation. Maybe NANFA can write
>>>>> its own grant proposal and use some of the Conservation Grants monies
>>>>> to recruit a qualified researcher to do some hard field and
>>>>> literature work to find out what's really up with welaka and how it
>>>>> can be preserved. OK, stepping off soap box...
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> Ohio
>>>>> USA
>>>>> <))><
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