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Tony
anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th wrote:
>
> I agree that more evidence are needed before deciding to do drastic
> action. I remembered someone in the list said before that wekala is
> generally hard to collect except in some specific locations. Does
> anyone study wekala's distribution and migration fully yet? Where is
> wekala out of spawning season? What other factors can cause its
> disappearance from a few spots? drought, pollution, etc etc.?
>
> I and friends had been collecting a locale in Thailand that have a
> special wild betta last year. After half a day we got only a single
> female, so we were worried that, since the spot was collected by many
> people often, the betta might be wiped out by overcollecting. 2
> monthes later when the heavy rains and floods began my friend took a
> few anabantoid-lovers from overseas to the same site without much
> hope. They ended up getting two dozen bettas with only a few net
> swoop... The area is actually inaccessible in most parts with only a
> small fraction walkable and collectable, so most betta collected are
> likely a small part of the population that spill out of the main
> inaccessible area. Maybe wekala is not much different?
>
> Tony
> anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th
>
>
>
> "B.G. Granier" wrote:
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> > As we all know, when the federal government gets involved, then a bad
> > situation becomes even unmanageble, even more-so when a state government
> > gets involved.........
> >
> > DNR is known for it's lack of funding, so how many years do you think it'd
> > be before something is actually done for this species?
> >
> > Call in the USCG and they'll send in the Navy "Seals" and blow away the US
> > Army Corps of Engineers?
> >
> > Let's get real and get some real evidence before we take some drastic
> > measures.
> >
> > BG
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Stallsmith" <fundulus_at_hotmail.com>
> > To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 10:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
> >
> > > Such a statement to state DNRs could have a good effect just to draw it to
> > > their attention. If worse comes to worst then we can say "we told you so"
> > > for all the good that does... If welaka is listed as Special Concern in
> > any
> > > of these states, it would be a good focal point for asking for GENUINE
> > > concern for the species and trying to stop their systematic elimination in
> > > the wild. All we have to do is do it(!).
> > >
> > > --Bruce Stallsmith
> > > Huntsville, AL, US of A
> > >
> > > >From: Christopher Scharpf <ichthos_at_comcast.net>
> > > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
> > > >Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:52:24 -0400
> > > >
> > > >BG,
> > > >
> > > >I agree completely! But here's the deal: If unscrupulous collecting of
> > > >welaka is taking place for hobbyists and/or the European aquarium trade,
> > > >then wildlife officials will eventually be moved into action, and *all*
> > > >native fishkeepers may get the blame. In this way, NANFA might be found
> > > >guilty by association. And who knows, access to other (non-imperiled)
> > > >natives might be denied. But if NANFA issues a pre-emptive policy
> > statement
> > > >against the collection of welaka, then NANFA -- and hence all native-fish
> > > >enthusiasts -- will appear responsible and pro-active.
> > > >
> > > >Heck, it might be a good idea to issue such a statement *now*, as a
> > > >precautionary measure. Send the statement to all state DNRs in the
> > welaka's
> > > >range, alerting them to the potential for unscrupulous collecting, and
> > > >urging them to survey all populations and conclusively determine the
> > > >conservation status of the species. NANFA could throw a few dollars in to
> > > >help support the work.
> > > >
> > > >Perhaps some of you LA-MS-FL members can form a welaka work group. Heck,
> > if
> > > >a bunch of animal right nutcases can keep mute swans from being killed,
> > why
> > > >can't NANFA help protect the most beautiful minnow in North America?
> > > >
> > > >Chris
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