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> Von: "B.G. Granier" <bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net>
> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Datum: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:45:08 -0500
> An: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> Betreff: Re: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
>
> Chip,
>
> Wouldn't it be wonderful if all fed's and state biologists felt that way. My
> Louisiana Fish and Wildlife officials could care less about a species unless
> it brought in revenue in the form of a fishing license. I even had one
> official field representative confuse Heterandria formosa with baby bass and
> tried to write me a ticket........
>
> Thanks for the encouragement!
>
> BG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chip Rinehart" <crin_at_glassmaster.com>
> To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:21 PM
> Subject: RE: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
>
>
>> BG,
>>
>> I just got off the phone with our Assistant Chief of Freshwater Fisheries
>> (and I mean right as this email came in). I was initially discussing what
>> permit/license I needed to legally sell non-game fish for private
> aquarium
>> use. His initial thinking was a Commercial fishing License but then he
> said
>> "maybe I'll just issue you a general scientific collection permit"! Now
>> wouldn't that be something!
>>
>> He also asked if I was one of the guys who had been notifying his
> biologist
>> of the protected species we have found and other site collection data
> (which
>> we were).
>>
>> Maybe they do care, even if it's just a little bit. Kinda made my day.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: B.G. Granier [SMTP:bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:02 PM
>>> To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
>>>
>>> Chip,
>>>
>>> Yeah, if I had to get a degree to be "stupid" then No
> thanks...Duuuuhhhhh!
>>>
>>> If the powers that be really cared about our lesser known, non-sport
>>> fishes,
>>> then it'd be a different story altogether, even consisting of
>>> transplanting
>>> species where they have no historical record of prior existence, but
> they
>>> bring in revenue! ie: Fishing licenses, fishing tackle and bait sales..
>>>
>>> Thanks Chip!
>>>
>>> BG
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chip Rinehart" <crin_at_glassmaster.com>
>>> To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:16 AM
>>> Subject: RE: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
>>>
>>>
>>>> I agree with BG here. It doesn't do a whole lot of good to simply
> list
>>> a
>>>> fish as protected and then do nothing else about it. Dustin and I
> have
>>>> tried to inform the DNR of some of the locations where we have found
>>>> "protected" species in hopes that they will do something to help
>>> preserve
>>>> these fish (and I don't mean just in formalin). ;-) Only time will
> tell
>>> if
>>>> they use any of the info we have supplied.
>>>>
>>>> Chip in SC
>>>> (Home of the 2004 NANFA Convention.....y'all come)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: B.G. Granier [SMTP:bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:45 AM
>>>>> To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce and all.........
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing about merely listing a fish while sitting on their
>>> collective
>>>>> rumps, (Fed., State, or whoever) really gets my goat.....
>>>>>
>>>>> If there really _is_ a concern, then damn-it, DO SOMETHING about the
>>>>> situation instead of just waiting until it gets even worse........
>>>>>
>>>>> For now, I've given an Abort mission to the Navy Seals : )
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry if I rubbed anyone the wrong way, just stating my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's even worse, is that when a species is placed on any type of
>>> list,
>>>>> the
>>>>> blackmarket price just quadrupled, therefore enhancing the risk of
>>> taking,
>>>>> transporting and dealing in "said" species, if you get my
>>> drift.........
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards to all who are concerned about our vanishing species and I
>>> didn't
>>>>> really mean to offend anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just another who cares.
>>>>>
>>>>> BG
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bruce Stallsmith" <fundulus_at_hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:16 AM
>>>>> Subject: RE: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You're right, the welaka is a drop-dead beautiful fish. I have
> some
>>>>> flagfin
>>>>>> shiners, signipinnis, which are interesting but they just don't
> have
>>>>> that
>>>>>> electric oomph of welaka. The status is confusing of welaka, I
> guess
>>>>> Florida
>>>>>> does consider Special Concern as protected which is all that
> really
>>>>> mattes
>>>>>> for the legality of collection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Bruce Stallsmith
>>>>>> Huntsville, AL, US of A
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Chip Rinehart <crin_at_glassmaster.com>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>>>>>> To: "'nanfa_at_aquaria.net'" <nanfa at aquaria.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:58:44 -0400
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was wanting to get some welaka while down in FL back in Feb and
>>> found
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> they were protected there, even though they are only listed as
> "of
>>>>> Special
>>>>>>> Concern". We didn't find them anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have managed to get some from another source, as well as some
>>> hubbsi,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> my thoughts are the welaka are WAY better looking. The
> fieryblack
>>>>> shiner
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a close second IMO. Rainbow shiners are nice too, but a male
>>>>> fieryblack
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> full breeding coloration is a sight to see.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, this is just my opinion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chip in SC
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