Re: NANFA-- lymphocytosis

geoff (gkimber2_at_alltel.net)
18 Sep 2003 22:50:54 -0400

not gonna happen.

this is red flint gravel that I have purchased from Mark Binkley.

This stuff is hard to find locally and I really like it. I'd have to go
up to Wooster Ohio to get any more.

Viruses are easily denatured by boiling - it's the spore-forming
bacteria (i.e. Clostridia spp that need higher temps)

Geoff Kimber
Lexington,KY

On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 02:34, Steffen Hellner wrote:
> Better: waste the gravel and get new one.
>
> Steffen
>
> > Von: "Gay" <ghemsath_at_att.net>
> > Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > Datum: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:27:48 -0800
> > An: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > Betreff: NANFA-- lymphocytosis
> >
> > Hello
> > I don't believe that just boiling the gravel will be enough to kill a virus.
> > Soak the gravel in a bleach (Clorox) for 24 hours first then boil it
> > Boiling gravel only will get the out side of the gravel hot, it would take
> > several hours of boiling to get the small cracks into the in side of the
> > pieces hot
> > The heat would need to get the core of the gravel hot enough to sterilize
> > these
> > That's why hospitals use stem under pressure (auto-clave)
> >
> > Gay
> > Alaska
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-nanfa_at_aquaria.net On Behalf
> > Of geoff
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:33 PM
> > To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > Subject: Re: NANFA-- Non-Release Policy
> >
> > I used to believe this was a long shot but not any more.
> >
> > Perhaps you might remember that I had some mollies with lymphocytosis
> > this spring?
> >
> > Well, it spread to two local species that I kept in several of my tanks
> > - Fundulus notatus and Phoxinus erythrogaster with pretty much 100%
> > infection rates.
> >
> > Both fish species were from local streams. In case you aren't familiar
> > with lymphocytosis, its an incurable viral infection that is very
> > contagious among fish families. So this batch of lymphocytosis could
> > apparently spread among cyprinids pretty easily, but my darters are
> > probably immune.
> >
> > The virus can live a very long time without a host (months to years, I'm
> > told). I have killed all the infected fish and this fall and winter, I
> > will be sterilizing the infected tanks by boiling gravel and bleaching
> > the tanks. This spring, I will capture some Fundulus notatus, put them
> > in the tanks and watch them carefully for signs of infection.
> >
> > So long story short, if I had released anything after the outbreak
> > started, I would have introduced a rather virulent virus that might have
> > had a significant impact on the fish in my area.
> >
> > No thanks.
> >
> > While I have to admit I have been guilty of releasing fish before, I
> > never will again.
> >
> > Geoff Kimber
> > Lexington KY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 12:40, Ty Hall wrote:
> >> The big argument against this is the possibility of introducing a pathogen
> >> (disease) that the fish may have picked up from other fish in your care.
> >> (Tropicals, Non-natives and such) Personally I think this is a long shot
> > and I
> >> don't see a problem with releasing fish into the same spot they were taken
> > from.
> >> That said, I would never recommend returning a fish that had been held in
> >> captivity.
> >>
> >> Ty
> >>
> >> Thomas Crabill wrote:
> >>
> >>> Here's a question about the non-release policy: What happens if you
> > catch
> >>> some small fish in the spring, but by the end of summer they're outgrown
> >>> their aquarium. Can you return them to where you caught them? Why or why
> >>> not?
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