Steffen
> Von: Chip Rinehart <crin_at_glassmaster.com>
> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Datum: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:36:53 -0400
> An: "'nanfa_at_aquaria.net'" <nanfa at aquaria.net>
> Betreff: RE: NANFA-- Bluenose Shiners & Pond Update- Recovery from Winterk
ill
>
> As I prepare my pond for the bluenose shiners and dollar sunfish, I have
> decided to make two sections that the dollars can't follow the welaka into.
> This will be done using 1/2" (or 3/4", I haven't decided for certain) rigid
> plastic screen that the welaka can swim through but the dollars can't.
> Hopefully this will allow the shiners some refuge so they don't become
> fishfood. I'll probably put some Heterandria in there too, so that the
> dollars will have something else to chase.
>
> Another thought.....are welaka and hubbsi ever found in the same locations?
> I want to try the hubbsi as well but can only manage to get the one pond
> setup before winter. I'm wondering if they would try to cross or if one
> species starting to spawn might stimulate the other?
>
> Chip
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steffen Hellner [SMTP:steffen_at_hellner.biz]
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 3:15 PM
>> To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Bluenose Shiners & Pond Update- Recovery from
>> Winterkill
>>
>> Yes, either that or they4ll be eaten. Or are they fast enaough to escape
>> the
>> pumpkinseeds all the way?
>>
>> Steffen
>>
>>> Von: Jeffrey Fullerton <tcmajorr_at_westol.com>
>>> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>> Datum: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:29:58 -0400
>>> An: "nanfa_at_aquaria.net" <nanfa at aquaria.net>
>>> Betreff: NANFA-- Bluenose Shiners & Pond Update- Recovery from
>> Winterkill
>>>
>>>> Of course, another way is to throw them in a pond with pumpkinseeds or
>> other
>>>> centrarchids. Welaka are facultative nest associates; once the
>> pumpkinseeds
>>>> starts spawning, the welaka should too.
>>>>
>>> Chris & Others
>>>
>>> That would be very easy for me to do. Dollar Sunfishes ought to work
>>> too, but Pumpkinseeds are easy to come by if for some reason they don't.
>>>
>>> One other change I would like to try hubbsii instead of welaka-
>>> partially because I like them better and because they are supposably a
>>> little more better off than the latter and also they have a more
>>> northerly range and have a better chance of surviving outdoors here or
>>> even in my greenhouse pond which holds steady in the low 50s in winter.
>>>
>>> This would make a great surrogate species to work out a husbandry
>>> routine for welaka and I would happily dedicate a pond to these and a
>>> few other associated species and share surplus fish and info with other
>>> interested parties and individuals.
>>>
>>> Lately I have not been contributing much about my ponds to the list
>>> because of preoccupation with the greenhouse so I'm long overdue on a
>>> report regarding the outcome of the recovery of my ponds from a severe
>>> winterkill. I lost a good many species including tadpole madtoms and
>>> bluespotted sunfishes and a few others- leaving mostly Northern Redbelly
>>> Dace, Eastern Mudminnows and just a handfull of Golden Shiners.
>>>
>>> Oh, almost forgot- Brook Sticklebacks and a few Pearl Dace and Brassy
>>> Minnows.
>>>
>>> Well, I decided because of what I heard regarding the appetite of Golden
>>> Shiners for other fish fry and their tendency to munch on tender plants-
>>> I decided to exclude them for the time being and see how things go.
>>>
>>> The few surviving NRBDs spawned and the water is now swarming with young
>>> of the year fry like never before. This after years of trying to get
>>> them to breed at least enough to maintain a stable population , a
>>> breakthrough! I'm convinced now that the Golden Shiners were the reason
>>> they couldn't in the past. The experience has enlightened me to the fact
>>> that I can't have everything- at least not without constant restocking
>>> or alot of work to maintain separate spawning facilities- a
>>> contradiction to my origional goal to have the pond as a self-regulating
>>> system that requires minimal maintenance.
>>>
>>> Small systems work better with lower species diversity. If I ever did
>>> get a start of P. hubbsii, or Taillight Shiners the same would probably
>>> be true- I'd have to narrow my focus to a small set of species or else
>>> I'd likely loose them. But success with them would be well worth giving
>>> up something else!
>>>
>>> Maybe I'd even switch from Dollar Suns to the locally availible
>>> Pumpkinseed and that would be one less species to have to worry about
>>> loosing in a hard winter- and winter some shiners in a tank, or in the
>>> greenhouse for insurance would not be so taxing.
>>>
>>> I still like Dollars, so I'd always winter a couple pairs and some young
>>> to keep them around.
>>>
>>> Jeff
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