NANFA Mailing List Archive: RE: NANFA-L-- Niagara River gobies?

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From: owner-nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org on behalf of dlmcneely-in-lunet.edu
Suppose I meet a horrible accident,
along with all close family members, and some distant cousin with no
more knowledge or sense than a monkey becomes responsbible for my home
fish? I know, I'm supposed to have provided, and I have, but far out
scenarios arise, too. So this dumb bunny sees my fish, has no idea
what to do, and decides to stock the local "Oklahoma River"?=20

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I was just going to keep quiet about any of this... Not respond to the =
misunderstanding that I'm a proponent of taking home round gobies.
=20
In case you've missed this exchange, I had asked someone to take some =
personal responsibility for their question, and find the State's answer =
easily on the Internet... Even after my disappointment where I'd painted =
a picture where these fish were a POOR choice as an aquaria candidate, =
are incredibly disruptive to the environment, and led the individual =
knowingly to the Law, which should end any question of ethics or gray =
areas... While still allowing the individual to take ownership of a =
decision any which way, because they are, after all, a thinking, =
breathing human being. =20
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Apparently, this was confused as my question to what the law stated =
concerning such a matter, and was illustrated by "we couldn't keep them =
alive in tanks" as a main tenant of reasons one should want to avoid =
such activity. Do what I say, not what I do...
=20
The "dumb bunny" in your scenario is the aquarist who didn't make =
specific plans for the animals in their absence. Both my wife and my =
parents know to take all exotic fish to my fish shop I frequent and =
contact Mr. Z or now Jeff G to aid them in making decisions about what =
to do with my natives. If you haven't thought about this before (and =
I'm certainly not calling you a dumb bunny for not having thought of it =
:) it's something to consider, especially if you don't have a bunch of =
seine fanatic amigos close by!
=20
But back to my point...
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The tone of your post Dave, really bothered me. I find this something =
some academics seem to have profound problem over-communicating, because =
it's easier to just tell someone what to do, since the people they're =
talking to, after all, are "distant cousins with no more knowledge or =
sense than a monkey". This has been a gross sore spot on this email =
list in times past, wether earned by specific individuals or not. =20
=20
After last May's soiree of trying to rope in the context of this email =
list as expressed by my counterparts on the BOD, I found it very =
troubling-in-a fall event where I'd brought along some of those I must =
refer to now as "colleauges" to a NANFA public education event. I =
watched as two people who'd been in the state for a whole of 6 weeks =
combined, took the reigns as the "experts" for the event, sloughing away =
a combined 15 years of intimate knowledge about Ohio fishes and their =
interpretation to the public. And to add to the insult... talking to =
the public like they were 3 years old.
=20
I saw this situation from another side, reflected on how I might have =
handled the BOD's desire to clean up the context of the list postings =
differently, and what parts I could have understood better and avoided =
allienating anyone. I can't undo any of that, and have hope that the =
addage of "time heals all wounds" holds. And while I'm no longer a =
board member and am NOT exercising any kind of judiciary sway on this =
matter... I think the pendulum has swung back from the other direction, =
and folks who may seemed were favored in last year's mess... Think =
carefully about how they portray themselves and ideas.
=20
I also wanted to thank Scott Schlueter for his response to Andrew's =
initial email as well. He expressed everything I think others were =
trying to express, but in a way that leads to personal discovery and =
consequent ownership of the right answer.
=20
Sincerely,
Todd "thumbs on the pelvic fin and squeeeeeeze" Crail
The Muddy Maumee Madness, Toledo, OH
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.
http://www.farmertodd.com
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I was just = going to keep =0A= quiet about any of this... Not respond to the = misunderstanding =0A= that I'm a proponent of taking home round gobies.

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In case you've = missed this =0A= exchange, I had asked someone to take some personal = responsibility =0A= for their question, and find the State's answer easily on the Internet... = Even after my =0A= disappointment where I'd painted a picture where these fish were a POOR =0A= choice as an aquaria candidate, are incredibly disruptive to the =0A= environment, and led the individual knowingly to = the Law, =0A= which should end any question of ethics or gray areas... While = still =0A= allowing the individual to take ownership of a decision = any =0A= which way, because they are, after all, a thinking, breathing = human =0A= being.

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Apparently, = this was =0A= confused as my question to what the law stated concerning such = a =0A= matter, and was illustrated by "we couldn't keep them alive in tanks" as = a main =0A= tenant of reasons one should want to avoid such activity. Do what = I say, =0A= not what I do...

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The "dumb = bunny" in your =0A= scenario is the aquarist who didn't make specific plans for the animals in their =0A= absence. Both my wife and my parents know to take all exotic fish = to my =0A= fish shop I frequent and contact Mr. Z or now Jeff G to aid them in = making =0A= decisions about what to do with my natives. If you haven't thought = about =0A= this before (and I'm certainly not calling you a dumb bunny for not = having =0A= thought of it :) it's something to consider, especially if you don't = have a =0A= bunch of seine fanatic amigos close = by!

=0A=

But back to my =0A= point...

=0A=

The tone = of your post =0A= Dave, really bothered me. I find this = something =0A= some academics seem to have profound problem over-communicating, because = it's =0A= easier to just tell someone what to do, since the people they're = talking =0A= to, after all, are "distant cousins with no more knowledge or sense than = a =0A= monkey". This has been a gross sore spot on this email list in = times past, =0A= wether earned by specific individuals or not.

=0A=

After last May's soiree of trying to rope in the context = of this =0A= email list as expressed by my counterparts on the BOD, I found it very = troubling =0A= at a fall event where I'd brought along some of those I must refer to = now as =0A= "colleauges" to a NANFA public education event. I watched as two = people =0A= who'd been in the state for a whole of 6 weeks combined, took the = reigns as =0A= the "experts" for the event, sloughing away a combined 15 = years =0A= of intimate knowledge about Ohio fishes and their = interpretation to the =0A= public. And to add to the insult... talking to the public like = they were 3 =0A= years old.

=0A=

I saw this situation from another side, reflected on how = I might =0A= have handled the BOD's desire to clean up the context of the list = postings =0A= differently, and what parts I could have understood better and avoided =0A= allienating anyone. I can't undo any of that, and have hope that = the =0A= addage of "time heals all wounds" holds. And while I'm no longer a = board =0A= member and am NOT exercising any kind of judiciary sway on this = matter... I =0A= think the pendulum has swung back from the other direction, and folks = who may =0A= seemed were favored in last year's mess... Think carefully about how = they =0A= portray themselves and ideas.

=0A=

I also wanted to thank Scott Schlueter for his response = to Andrew's =0A= initial email as well. He expressed everything I think others were = trying =0A= to express, but in a way that leads to personal discovery and consequent =0A= ownership of the right answer.

=0A=

Sincerely,

=0A=

Todd "thumbs on the pelvic fin and squeeeeeeze" = Crail

=0A=

The Muddy Maumee Madness, Toledo, OH

=0A=

It's never too late to have a happy childhood.

=0A=

http://www.farmertodd.com

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