Re: NANFA-L-- Help! Redside Dace Recovery in Ontario

Robert Carillio (darterman-in-cboss.com)
Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:44:38 -0700

Matt, any artist knows that there are more colors to the palette besides
the primary colors! :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "matt ashton" <ashtonmj2003-in-yahoo.com>
To: <nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: NANFA-L-- Help! Redside Dace Recovery in Ontario

> Hey now, stop knocking earth tone color patterns, they can't help it they
> are chromatically challenged. There is some irridescent blues on occassion
> when they are young! Speaking of pictures and snail darters boy do I have
> some pictures...like pushing 500 from the last month alone.
>
> I think struggling to listen first before talking and blabbering on is a
> bit of a northern thing because that was one of the hardest things I've
> had to refrain from while talking landowners.
>
> Casper has to somehow get me some good vis there so we can snorkel for
> them there before the end of Sept.
>
> A side note totally unrelated to this but completely to natives and the
> new captive care section....I have fry resulting from multiple spawnings
> in my 15 gallon tub out on the back deck. It was getting so thick with
> plants that I had found two small ~ 10 mm flagfish actually dried out on
> top of the plant/water surface. So at the least I have flagfish, but I
> also put in a pair of golden topminnow and 4 or 5 banded pygmy sunfish so
> who knows what else there might be. Thanks to Doug Ebeling for the fish
> last October. Just caught 4 blackstripe toppminnow but they look spawned
> out so I don't think I'll be setting up another tub this late in the year.
>
> Matt
>
> Cookeville, TN
>
> "Todd D. Crail" <tcrail-in-UTNet.UToledo.Edu> wrote:
> You got it. You won't want to protect what you don't know is there.
> That's
> why I started taking all of my pictures. It's out of everyone else's
> comfort zone to go into a stream. It's Nuts like us that hang out there.
> If I can get them interested in their living room, they become engaged and
> may even travel beyond their comfort zone. Crap, I have trouble getting
> long time birders and lepidopterists (people who regularly go out in
> nature)
> to even go into the water, how can I expect anyone who's always thought it
> was too polluted for their kids to play in, or someone who's been draining
> off their land because that's what they always did?
>
> Group Why could also be people living in subdivisions with the immaculate
> turf grass lawns who can get lumped in with farmers. They, for whatever
> reason, trust that their home was built to the most strictest of
> obligations
> under the laws, and that they've done no harm making their dream house.
> This is really tough water to navigate because you can excite a shame
> complex very quickly. They just wanted a beautiful place to live, and you
> can enhance that experience for them talking about using native plants to
> absorb rain water in rainwater gardens, and using native plants as borders
> to mitgate and assimilate any fertilizer running off. Etc etc etc.
>
> I think my favorite experience interacting with a landowner was the farmer
> down the road from Casper. We talked to him for awhile, showed him some of
> the centrachids we were catching presently, and tried to talk him down to
> a
> riffle so he could see redline, rainbow, snubs and banded darter all in
> their nuptuial best. If he would have stayed with us, he would have seen
> SNAIL darter living on his property! But that wouldn't be what he
> remembered. He would have remembered all those common, yet brightly
> colored
> fish.
>
> At any rate, we caught up with him again the next day and I watched
> closely
> how Casper talked to him, as I know he's good at just talking to
> everyone...
> Man I learned a lot from him... Esp that thing about listen first, then
> talk. Big lesson, and a tough one to implement for someone like myself! I
> was thumbing through Fishes of Tennessee to show him what a snail darter
> looked like, and what all the fuss was... He caught a glimpse of the
> banded
> darter and about shot out of his truck, he was so excited to see it. When
> we finally got to the snail darter, he was kinda like "that's it?" lol.
>
> Todd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Stallsmith"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: NANFA-L-- Help! Redside Dace Recovery in Ontario
>
>
>> Todd, you hit on one thread that we in NANFA are in a good position to
>> address. A lot of farmers/country people have no clear idea what's in the
>> creeks and springs on their property (beyond bream and bass...). We've
>> had
>> several experiences here in the mid-south showing freshly-caught darters
> in
>> breeding coloration to local people and it invariably blows their minds;
>> it's something they've just never come across. People will only value and
>> appreciate what they know, especially when they feel stressed about
>> making
> a
>> living.
>>
>> --Bruce Stallsmith
>> along the tropical Tennessee
>> Huntsville, AL, US of A
>>
>>
>> >Impervious surfaces developers? Have at 'em! They're the real demons of
>> >today. They're educated in Group X's schools, and they just want the
>> >money.
>> >But please consider giving the farmers a break, take a step back, and
> well,
>> >go talk to one. I've yet to meet a farmer who didn't like to talk :)
>> >
>> >Todd
>> >The Go Hug A Farmer Today Madness, Toledo, OH
>> >It's never too late to have a happy childhood.
>> >http://www.farmertodd.com
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