Re: NANFA-L-- Moribund fish & Life Outside

Todd D. Crail (tcrail at UTNet.UToledo.Edu)
Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:48:13 -0400

Amanda has a copy of Piller's dissertation and is doing the "more work" on
pholidotum that he mentions in his conclusion, and as we've talked about...
Never published. She has been told (and wisely so) to limit it to Western
vs Eastern vs Southern Ohio. So we appreaciate your offer Bruce, but
they're going to work on this question a little more locally.

Now... Do we mention that I left Rex's reputation hanging in limbo around
his ankles in front of the whole NANFA email list? We could probably just
not ever think about that again, and I probably owe him a beer or something
;) lol

Todd

----- Original Message -----
From: <SHasloue at kdhe.state.ks.us>
To: <nanfa-l at nanfa.org>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: NANFA-L-- Moribund fish & Life Outside

> I believe Kyle Piller of Southeastern Louisiana University did his
> dissertation at Tulane on the E. blennioides complex, coming to the
> conclusion that the 2 subspecies E. B. newmani and E. B. pholidotum
> deserved elevation to species level. Don't know that anything was ever
> published though.
>
> Steve
> ______________________________________
> Steve Haslouer
> Topeka, KS
>
>
>
> Todd wrote:
>
> One of the students in my department is working on greensides.
> Specifically
> with E. b. pholidotum and whether it deserves subspecies status or not...
> To which I replied "Well the fish in the Allegheny look like the fish in
> Duck and the fish in the Tennessee mainstem look like their own thing,
> while
> the fish in the Holston and Clinch look like fish from the Scioto, which
> sorta resemble the fish in the Lake Erie tribs, but without that stunning
> red band in the dorsal, and I've seen pictures of fish from the Ozarks
that
> look like fish in Michigan, but that might just be me." lol
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