Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus

Robert Carillio (darterman_at_hotmail.com)
Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:27:26 EDT

B.G., I would also like those if you can do it. This festival lasts all day,
and I would like to show several tapes on native related subject. I can send
you a check in the mail for the cost of the tapes and such... keep me
posted. The festival is Sept. 30th Rob... That's ok, people call me "Bob"
all the time!.. HA!

>From: "B.G. Granier" <bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net>
>Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
>Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:57:35 -0500
>
>Sorry Rob..........not Bob...........your tape is being made as I am typing
>this, do you also want Notropis umbratilis and Ptero. welaka on it?
>
>BG
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Robert Carillio <darterman_at_hotmail.com>
>To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 2:33 PM
>Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
>
>
> > Thanks... Rob
> >
> >
> > >From: "B.G. Granier" <bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net>
> > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
> > >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:22:12 -0500
> > >
> > >Hey Bob,
> > >
> > >Yes I'll make a video tape for you soon...........
> > >
> > >Thanks for your help!
> > >
> > >BG
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Robert Carillio <darterman_at_hotmail.com>
> > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > >Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:52 AM
> > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > B.G. Sounds like fun!... I just wanted to make sure you got those
> > > > addresses. I spoke with Steve Ross, and found him to be a true
>believer
> > >in
> > > > aknowledging the existence of the natives. I was wondering if you
>could
> > >send
> > > > me a copy of the breeding fish tape before Sept 30th, so I can use
>it
>at
> > >the
> > > > educational and NANFA booth at the Mahoning River Fest.... I will
> > >reimburse
> > > > you for any expenses.... Thanks B.G., Rob C.
> > > >
> > > > >From: "B.G. Granier" <bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > > > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
> > > > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:57:03 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi Bob,
> > > > >
> > > > >Yes I got them, thanks! I was away for two days, went surf fishing
>on
> > >the
> > > > >Gulf of Mexico, Louisiana coast. Caught some speckled trout
>(spotted
> > > > >weakfish) and Redfish (Red drum)...........and managed to collect a
>few
> > > > >Adinia xenica also!
> > > > >
> > > > >Thnaks again,
> > > > >
> > > > >BG
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: Robert Carillio <darterman_at_hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > > > >Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 5:13 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello B.G. This is Rob C. I was wondering if you got those
>e-mail
> > > > >addresses
> > > > > > I sent you to the people you wanted to get in touch with????....
>Rob
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "B.G. Granier" <bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > > > > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F.
>notatus
> > > > > > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:35:57 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The F. euryzonus will also hybridize with
> > > > >olivaceus/notatus...........some
> > > > > > >work was done on this by Tom Blanchard for his graduate thesis.
>I
> > >don't
> > > > > > >beleive he kept the hybrids to see if they were sterile or
>capable
> > >of
> > > > > > >reproduction however.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >BG
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: Bruce Stallsmith <fundulus_at_hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 12:16 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F.
>notatus
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Bob,
> > > > > > > > With the notatus/olivaceus complex, really the only
> > >distinguishing
> > > > >trait
> > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > whether or not they're spotted above the black band.
>Breeding
> > >males
> > > > >have
> > > > > > > > slightly different banding patterns and color in their fins,
>but
> > > > >those
> > > > > > >seem
> > > > > > > > to be pretty subtle differences. Even the spotting is
>subtle,
>as
> > > > >I've
> > > > > > > > mentioned. By putting a Mississippi olivaceus in the same
>tank
> > >as
> > >an
> > > > > > >Alabama
> > > > > > > > notatus the difference is apparent. I think you did the same
> > >thing
> > > > >by
> > > > > > > > comparing Michigan notatus to your MS olivaceus. And just to
> > > > >complicate
> > > > > > > > things, the species can usually interbreed and produce
> > >apparently
> > > > >viable
> > > > > > > > hybrids from what I've read.
> > > > > > > > My experience is that both species make good aquarium fish,
> > >being
> > > > > > > > well-behaved and taking food items from the surface.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --Bruce Stallsmith
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: Michiganfish_at_aol.com
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > > > > > > >To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F.
> > >notatus
> > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:14:59 EDT
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Bruce
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I have some fish from BG collecting trip. They have a heavy
> > >spotted
> > > > > > >pattern
> > > > > > > > >above the black stripe and the stripe goes into the tail
>fin.
> > >The
> > > > >black
> > > > > > > > >stripe on the males is almost as smooth as the females. I'm
> > >only
> > > > > > >familiar
> > > > > > > > >with F. notatus from Michigan they only have spots in their
> > >fins
> > > > >here.
> > > > > > >I
> > > > > > > > >just
> > > > > > > > >collected some notatus today and they look different. I
>believe
> > > > >what
> > > > >I
> > > > > > >have
> > > > > > > > >is olivaceus is their any good field marks?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Bob Muller
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
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