>From: "B.G. Granier" <bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net>
>Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
>Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:57:35 -0500
>
>Sorry Rob..........not Bob...........your tape is being made as I am typing
>this, do you also want Notropis umbratilis and Ptero. welaka on it?
>
>BG
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Robert Carillio <darterman_at_hotmail.com>
>To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 2:33 PM
>Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
>
>
> > Thanks... Rob
> >
> >
> > >From: "B.G. Granier" <bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net>
> > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
> > >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:22:12 -0500
> > >
> > >Hey Bob,
> > >
> > >Yes I'll make a video tape for you soon...........
> > >
> > >Thanks for your help!
> > >
> > >BG
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Robert Carillio <darterman_at_hotmail.com>
> > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > >Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:52 AM
> > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > B.G. Sounds like fun!... I just wanted to make sure you got those
> > > > addresses. I spoke with Steve Ross, and found him to be a true
>believer
> > >in
> > > > aknowledging the existence of the natives. I was wondering if you
>could
> > >send
> > > > me a copy of the breeding fish tape before Sept 30th, so I can use
>it
>at
> > >the
> > > > educational and NANFA booth at the Mahoning River Fest.... I will
> > >reimburse
> > > > you for any expenses.... Thanks B.G., Rob C.
> > > >
> > > > >From: "B.G. Granier" <bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > > > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
> > > > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:57:03 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi Bob,
> > > > >
> > > > >Yes I got them, thanks! I was away for two days, went surf fishing
>on
> > >the
> > > > >Gulf of Mexico, Louisiana coast. Caught some speckled trout
>(spotted
> > > > >weakfish) and Redfish (Red drum)...........and managed to collect a
>few
> > > > >Adinia xenica also!
> > > > >
> > > > >Thnaks again,
> > > > >
> > > > >BG
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: Robert Carillio <darterman_at_hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > > > >Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 5:13 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F. notatus
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello B.G. This is Rob C. I was wondering if you got those
>e-mail
> > > > >addresses
> > > > > > I sent you to the people you wanted to get in touch with????....
>Rob
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "B.G. Granier" <bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > > > > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F.
>notatus
> > > > > > >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:35:57 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The F. euryzonus will also hybridize with
> > > > >olivaceus/notatus...........some
> > > > > > >work was done on this by Tom Blanchard for his graduate thesis.
>I
> > >don't
> > > > > > >beleive he kept the hybrids to see if they were sterile or
>capable
> > >of
> > > > > > >reproduction however.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >BG
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: Bruce Stallsmith <fundulus_at_hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 12:16 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F.
>notatus
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Bob,
> > > > > > > > With the notatus/olivaceus complex, really the only
> > >distinguishing
> > > > >trait
> > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > whether or not they're spotted above the black band.
>Breeding
> > >males
> > > > >have
> > > > > > > > slightly different banding patterns and color in their fins,
>but
> > > > >those
> > > > > > >seem
> > > > > > > > to be pretty subtle differences. Even the spotting is
>subtle,
>as
> > > > >I've
> > > > > > > > mentioned. By putting a Mississippi olivaceus in the same
>tank
> > >as
> > >an
> > > > > > >Alabama
> > > > > > > > notatus the difference is apparent. I think you did the same
> > >thing
> > > > >by
> > > > > > > > comparing Michigan notatus to your MS olivaceus. And just to
> > > > >complicate
> > > > > > > > things, the species can usually interbreed and produce
> > >apparently
> > > > >viable
> > > > > > > > hybrids from what I've read.
> > > > > > > > My experience is that both species make good aquarium fish,
> > >being
> > > > > > > > well-behaved and taking food items from the surface.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --Bruce Stallsmith
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: Michiganfish_at_aol.com
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > > > > > > >To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- More on convention: F. olivaceus & F.
> > >notatus
> > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:14:59 EDT
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Bruce
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I have some fish from BG collecting trip. They have a heavy
> > >spotted
> > > > > > >pattern
> > > > > > > > >above the black stripe and the stripe goes into the tail
>fin.
> > >The
> > > > >black
> > > > > > > > >stripe on the males is almost as smooth as the females. I'm
> > >only
> > > > > > >familiar
> > > > > > > > >with F. notatus from Michigan they only have spots in their
> > >fins
> > > > >here.
> > > > > > >I
> > > > > > > > >just
> > > > > > > > >collected some notatus today and they look different. I
>believe
> > > > >what
> > > > >I
> > > > > > >have
> > > > > > > > >is olivaceus is their any good field marks?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Bob Muller
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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