Remarbly there are offers of Sechelles giant turtles in the USA with legal
papers. Really wonder how this can be?
Steffen
> Von: "Denkhaus, Robert" <Robert.Denkhaus_at_fortworthgov.org>
> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Datum: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:14:29 -0600
> An: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> Betreff: RE: NANFA-- (hellbenders plus!)
>
> There is also some evidence in the literature that collecting has impacted
> various turtle species.
>
> Rob Denkhaus
> Fort Worth Nature Center & Refuge
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott.L.Schlueter_at_LRB01.usace.army.mil
>>
>> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 12:02 PM
>> To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>> Subject: RE: NANFA-- (hellbenders plus!)
>>
>>
>> Just another note to the non-fish related discussion. There were some
>> comments made on questioning if credible evidence exists of a
>> collector
>> impacting a NA species. Well here in NY, timber rattlesnakes
>> are listed as
>> threatened. There was one individual collector that has made
>> a severe and
>> measureable impact. Estimates have been made that he has
>> collected 4000
>> snakes, he admitted that numbers were more to the tune of
>> 9000 snakes. The
>> NYSDEC has estimated that this individual alone accounted for a 60%
>> reduction in timber rattlesnakes in NY. I am not sure what
>> you would argue
>> is "credible" evidence? I am sure, no matter how conservative your
>> estimates, this individual's behavior has without a doubt lead to
>> measureable declines.
>>
>> Just thought I would throw that out there as an example.
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: archimedes_at_bayspringstel.net
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:42 PM
>> To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Columbia trip gear (hellbenders plus!)
>>
>>
>> Quoting Bruce Stallsmith <fundulus_at_hotmail.com>:
>>
>> I understand erring on the side of caution - I really do.
>> But nowadays
>> everbody
>> is raising all kinds of alarms with nothing to back it up, or
>> else they
>> produce
>> junk "science" to justify their claims. I have not seen any credible
>> evidence
>> that NA naturalists are contibuting to the decline of any NA animal by
>> "collecting" them. I still believe that if this were a _legitimate_
>> concern,
>> then the majority of professional zoologists would consider
>> it a point of
>> honor
>> never to harvest wild animals for their own various studies
>> of imperiled
>> species.
>>
>> This is simply another version of the points I debated in A/C
>> with Gene
>> Helfman,
>> and I have yet to see an effective counterargument. I was
>> kind of hoping
>> somebody would take a stab at it :-) If one can avoid
>> protraying me as a
>> whining, rationalizing idiot, that is.
>>
>>> The harm is imperfect knowledge that they may be common,
>> the other side of
>>
>>> the coin. We all know things change quickly in many areas,
>> and this is a
>>> species with very specific habitat needs. Today's G4-G5 in
>> many areas may
>> be
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