Re: NANFA-- r (hellbenders plus!)

Steffen Hellner (steffen_at_hellner.biz)
Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:33:53 +0100

Just striking!

Steffen

> Von: mike sandel <kwksand_at_yahoo.com>
> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Datum: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:18:56 -0800 (PST)
> An: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Betreff: Re: NANFA-- r (hellbenders plus!)
>
> I agree completely, In Ohio, great lengths are being
> taken to preserve a single (our last) population of
> blandings turtles. While this species is under
> considerable threat throughout its range, the
> resources spent to re-stock a cleveland metropark
> could be put to better use....for example,,habitat
> restoration in a less impacted part of the state, or
> anyplace else in the country which would have suitable
> habitat to sustain a healthy population, even,,
> forgive me, the mainstem population in Michigan. I
> understand that a state as an entity would like to
> maintain biodiversity, but the efforts are futile
> unless the population is considered as a whole, not
> divided by our state lines, as you said.
>
> For the record, if our buckeye turtles were competing
> with the turtles from Michigan, ours would win.
>
> Mike
>
> --- "R. W. Wolff" <choupiqu_at_wctc.net> wrote:
>> Here is an illustration of my pet peeve. State
>> listing of "edge of the range
>> things". Fish, plants, nothing for that matter
>> recognize man made
>> bounderies. Here is an example. Fundulus dispar is
>> endangered in Wisconsin,
>> yet not protected in Illinois. Fundulus diaphanous
>> is special concern (
>> why?) in Wisconsin, but protected in Illinois.
>> Neither of these fish
>> recognize the staight line man drew on a map to
>> divide these two states. To
>> top this off, these fish are not important, even as
>> bait, so there is little
>> research done on their actual population dynamics.
>> The dispar was listed in
>> 1978, and there it sits. Meanwhile more populations
>> and range extensions (
>> probably not range extensions, but we are just
>> finding them further away
>> from the old sites as people know what they are and
>> better how to find them)
>> are found, and the habitat has improved, but they
>> stay listed. It doesn't
>> help that most surveys are done near large metro
>> areas. You can see his in
>> maps of many fish, the dots increase considerably
>> near large cities,
>> wouldn't one think that it would be the opposite?
>>
>>
>>> The problem I see in general and in particular
>> with the
>>> hellbender is that many information is "only"
>> local or regional and does
>> not
>>> reflect to the overall situation.
>>
>> Ray
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