RE: NANFA--now NANFA type aquarist- Collecting ethics

Nick Zarlinga (njz_at_clevelandmetroparks.com)
Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:43:31 -0500

Steffen, your post below illustrates my point. There are hobbyists, then
there are exceptional hobbyists. I have to believe that you would agree
with me that of the millions of fish enthusiasts out there, that there are a
relative handful that would be considered exceptional. Of course the
biggest problem is how do you determine that a hobbyist is *exceptional
enough* to be responsible enough to keep a declining species-as measured by
the good of the species. At least in the professional world, it is usually
peer reviewed and often in the public eye. This leads the learning in the
right direction. If just anyone were allowed to have these species, there
would be no consequences to encourage that forward growth in knowledge.

As was effectively pointed out already, we all started as hobbyists. Some
of us are lucky enough to get paid for it.

Nick Zarlinga
Aquarium Biologist
Cleveland Metroparks Zoo
216.661.6500 ext 4485

><)> -----Original Message-----
><)> From: owner-nanfa_at_aquaria.net
><)> On Behalf
><)> Of Steffen Hellner
><)> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:52 AM
><)> To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
><)> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Collecting ethics
><)>
><)>
><)> man, you4re terribly right in many aspects.
><)>
><)>
><)> > Measuring the passion quotient is easy. Look at
><)> the huge number of
><)> > hobbyists in the world and you tell me how many
><)> have the incling that
><)> > tropical fish actually come from a real place!
><)> This is what makes me sad often. But there are
><)> many left still who know and
><)> can contribute. The mass however is just consumers.
><)>
><)> > Rember the thread about how people are told that
><)> you have to boil your
><)> > driftwood and rocks before you put them in your aquarium?
><)> I am fighting this nonsense ever since! There is
><)> another article in
><)> preparation upon water conditions and what they
><)> really mean to our fish,
><)> what is neccessary and what is obsolet.
><)>
><)> > And hobbyists have a tendency to keep their
><)> aquariums sparkling
><)> > clean. No algae and no detritus is how fish are
><)> supposed to be kept? As
><)> if
><)> > these fish are never exposed to mud, pathogens,
><)> or algae in their natural
><)> > environment.
><)> Again, the consumers, yes. It is our task to steer
><)> against this by any means
><)> we have. The pet industry is really bad in this concern.
><)>
><)> > Hobbyists don't think of where there fish come
><)> from, they just
><)> > think of them in the tank. Again, this is shear
><)> numbers alone. The exact
><)> > opposite thinking is what endeared me to NANFA.
><)> A group of hobbyists who
><)> > are really in tune with their animals *and* the
><)> natural environments where
><)> > they come from. We can have intelligent debates
><)> about all these topics.
><)> > But I don't believe that you can tell me that
><)> the percentage of hobbyists
><)> in
><)> > this country who have a serious passion about
><)> their animals is the same as
><)> > in the professional world. Again its all about
><)> numbers. And we all b*tch
><)> > about the "average" hobbyist on this list server.
><)> I was and am only speaking of NANFA-like type of
><)> aquarists, not the
><)> platy-keepers with a bunch of everything in their
><)> tanks. Those won4t even
><)> think about collecting in the field. Another
><)> example: When I received my
><)> SRBD, northern studfish, and three species of
><)> darters in March 2003 the
><)> veterinarian at the airport asked me how many
><)> species were in the box. I
><)> said five. She became intense (not to say angry)
><)> and shouted: No, it4s all
><)> one species! Gee, she wasn4t able to tell perch
><)> from carpfish! And she is
><)> responsible for wildlife protection by controlling
><)> imports and exports. It4s
><)> good to know that these people are so
><)> professionell and packed with
><)> knowledge. And this person is not an exception but
><)> the average. Any other
><)> experiences are welcome.
><)>
><)> Steffen
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