Re: NANFA-- large tank problem

William Allen jr. (billandbonnie_at_peoplepc.com)
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:34:21 -0700

Thanx for those that responded to my problems. We've been doing MASSIVE
water changes, and discovered that the SUMP (75 gal) was FILTHY! I did a 1/3
change and gravel vacuum, just to get finished, turn the pump back on, and
have water almost like MUD come into the tank from the sump.
Surprisingly, pH before the water change was only 6.8, our tap is about
7.2 and soft. It HAD been lower a few weeks ago. As I said before, ammonia,
nitrite, and nitrate are at 0. We are doing the following -
1) it seems biological filtration is OK, thanx to the large sump full of
bio-balls. So we're adding more mechanical filtration in the form of a
Marineland 330, and when the water clears a bit more will add diatom powder
to the paper cartridge.
2) Do almost daily water changes for a while with more effective gravel
vacuuming. The tank is hard to work on because of it's size, depth, and
height off of the floor, but I'm duct taping a gravel vacuum to a small yard
rake to stir things up
3) adding cichlid mix and sodium bicarb to buffer water and stabilize pH,
since tap water is very soft.
I'm glad that no one suggested adding chemicals - I didn't want to do
that.

Thanx, y'all
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Scharpf <ichthos_at_charm.net>
To: NANFA Mailing List <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: NANFA-- large tank problem

> Bill,
>
> I showed your email to Stephanie Brough, a former aquarist at the
Tennessee
> Aquarium. Naturally, she had moe questions than advice, but here's what
she had
> to say:
>
> 1) What is the pH of the tank? The "fungus" you described could be the
result of
> low pH, which could be related to ammonia spikes (despite what your test
kits
> say).
>
> 2) Is the tank chilled? Excessive heat (summer temps, lights) will stress
the
> fish and make them more susceptible to disease.
>
> >PROBLEM - although the water tests OK, there is a lot of suspended matter
in
> >it and a lot of "crud" on the bottom.
>
> Is there wood in the tank? Wood often dissolves leaving a brown crud.
>
> Is the "crud" a slimy green mass? if so, it's cyanobacteria, a definite
water
> quality issue.
>
> > It is difficult to do a good "gravel vacuum" because there are several
braces
> >across the tank that make working in it difficult - plus the fact that
it's
> about
> >4 feet deep and another 4 feet off of the floor!
>
> >SO- can anyone suggest-----
> >1) a good thorough way to clean the bottom
>
> Unfortunately, gravel vacuuming is the only way to stay on top of this.
> Attaching the gravel vac to a long broomstick (duct tape is fine) will
help get
> the vac to the bottom. Stand on a ladder if you have to.
>
> What is the quality of the make-up water? Sometimes the problem is not the
water
> in the tank, but with the water you're putting into the tank. As Lee
Harper
> asked, has it properly been dechlorinated?
>
> >2) a filter that we can add for mechanical filtration (remember, there is
no
> >usable "rim" to hang a filter on).
>
> Add a pleated canister filter, the bigger the better, to the sump.
>
> >3) any meds that will KO the "Fungus" (yes, i know it's bacteria) without
> >KOing the bacteria bed?
>
> Well, we don't what it is. I like Lee Harper's suggestion that it's an
ammonia
> problem (I've had that happen to my fish). Improving water quality
(including
> temeprature) is always preferable to adding meds. Take out and quarnatine
the
> sickest looking fish, if you have to.
>
> Hope this helps...and keep us posted. Good luck!
>
> Chris Scharpf & Stephanie Brough
>
>
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