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Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 6:35 AM
Subject: nanfa V1 #2095
>
> nanfa Wednesday, June 30 2004 Volume 01 : Number
2095
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:17:14 -0400
> From: kahley <kahseven-in-ptd.net>
> Subject: NANFA-- Report from Reefbuilder 6/29
>
> Hiya all!
>
> If you live in the mid Atlantic area, you have probably guessed why
> there were no reports last year. The river was high and muddy most of
> the season and I was able to get in the water only EIGHT DAYS! Those
> eight days were all work, digging out the accumulation of sand silt and
> clam shells dumped by the flooding. The only fish I saw that I knew
> were Betsy, (bass) the chubs, Moey (catfish) and Sunny (sunfish).
>
> We couldn't even get into the River until around the fourth of July and
> then the next week it started raining and that was it until a week in
> August. Sunny wasn't there in August.
>
> I made some major changes in my strategy last summer that has paid off.
> I totally dismantles the cross current structures between the middle
> and outer reefs for the winter, to allow a more natural flow and cut
> down on the sediment build up. I have only had three days this year and
> the water is still deep and murky but from what I can see it appears to
> have worked. This cuts down the sediment issue by 70%. Less
> work...MORE PLAY...WOOHOO.
>
> There is still a lot of muck in between the inner and middle reefs but
> I have it about 1/3 clear. I had to stop because there is a Blue Gill
> nesting and I don't want to disturb this. Betsy is there and right in
> my face. she has been caught and has an injury to her lip but if
> fungus doesn't set in, I think she'll be OK. There seems to be only
> three of the resident old chubbs left and so far, none of the new
> generation that were there last year. No sign of the catfish yet. I
> know they are are pretty old but I am going to miss them terribly when
> they are all gone. Last year I did see some resident little cats,
> probably from Moey's brood but they are still hiding in the rocks.
>
> The water hasn't cleared yet. Only about four foot visibility so there
> may be more fish in residence than I have seen so far.
>
> I replaced the cross current section of the reef on Sat. and the white
> tip shiners were already laying their eggs in between the rock layers on
> the roof of the "garage"by Sunday. They really love that set up for egg
> laying. I wish the water would clear so I could get more pictures of the
> mating. The get such high color ! But by the time the water clears, the
> mating slows down.
>
> I hope I haven't jinxed the summer by posting this. I'll go crazy if we
> get a lot of high water again. Weather report looks OK for this week.
> Keep your fingers crossed for me.
>
> Yours...Reefbuilder
>
> PS....The body glove works well but I forgot it on Sunday with water
> temp of 69, air temp of 74 and wind gusts to 30. I am sore all over
> from shivering.
-- > /"Unless stated otherwise, comments made on this list do not necessarily > / reflect the beliefs or goals of the North American Native Fishes > / Association" > / This is the discussion list of the North American Native Fishes Association > / nanfa-in-aquaria.net. To subscribe, unsubscribe, or get help, send the word > / subscribe, unsubscribe, or help in the body (not subject) of an email to > / nanfa-request-in-aquaria.net. For a digest version, send the command to > / nanfa-digest-request-in-aquaria.net instead. > / For more information about NANFA, visit our web page, http://www.nanfa.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:50:38 -0500 > From: HOLLIS1506-in-webtv.net (Leo Arieux) > Subject: NANFA-- "On the reef with Kahley and friends".... 6/29/04 > > Kahley : > > Thanks for the update on your reef building project. We were concerned > that "something" had happened when there were no reports from you for so > long. Hopefully conditions will be better this year. Please keep us > informed of your activities "on the reef". > > Stay well and best of luck, > > Leo > > ************************************ > Laissez Les Bon Temps Rouler'-- > /"Unless stated otherwise, comments made on this list do not necessarily > / reflect the beliefs or goals of the North American Native Fishes > / Association" > / This is the discussion list of the North American Native Fishes Association > / nanfa-in-aquaria.net. To subscribe, unsubscribe, or get help, send the word > / subscribe, unsubscribe, or help in the body (not subject) of an email to > / nanfa-request-in-aquaria.net. For a digest version, send the command to > / nanfa-digest-request-in-aquaria.net instead. > / For more information about NANFA, visit our web page, http://www.nanfa.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:13:27 EDT > From: Moontanman-in-aol.com > Subject: Re: NANFA-- Report from Reefbuilder 6/29 > > In a message dated 6/29/04 7:28:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kahseven-in-ptd.net > writes: > > > kahseven-in-ptd.net > It's wonderful to hear from you again Kahley, please keep us informed. > > Moon-- > /"Unless stated otherwise, comments made on this list do not necessarily > / reflect the beliefs or goals of the North American Native Fishes > / Association" > / This is the discussion list of the North American Native Fishes Association > / nanfa-in-aquaria.net. To subscribe, unsubscribe, or get help, send the word > / subscribe, unsubscribe, or help in the body (not subject) of an email to > / nanfa-request-in-aquaria.net. For a digest version, send the command to > / nanfa-digest-request-in-aquaria.net instead. > / For more information about NANFA, visit our web page, http://www.nanfa.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:25:42 -0700 > From: "Tom Watson" <onefish2fish-in-comcast.net> > Subject: Re: NANFA-- Report from Reefbuilder 6/29 > > Welcome back Kahley, we've missed your reports. > > Tom > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kahley" <kahseven-in-ptd.net> > To: <nanfa-in-aquaria.net> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:17 AM > Subject: NANFA-- Report from Reefbuilder 6/29 > > > > Hiya all! > > > > If you live in the mid Atlantic area, you have probably guessed why > > there were no reports last year. The river was high and muddy most of > > the season and I was able to get in the water only EIGHT DAYS! Those > > eight days were all work, digging out the accumulation of sand silt and > > clam shells dumped by the flooding. The only fish I saw that I knew > > were Betsy, (bass) the chubs, Moey (catfish) and Sunny (sunfish). > > > > We couldn't even get into the River until around the fourth of July and > > then the next week it started raining and that was it until a week in > > August. Sunny wasn't there in August. > > > > I made some major changes in my strategy last summer that has paid off. > > I totally dismantles the cross current structures between the middle > > and outer reefs for the winter, to allow a more natural flow and cut > > down on the sediment build up. I have only had three days this year and > > the water is still deep and murky but from what I can see it appears to > > have worked. This cuts down the sediment issue by 70%. Less > > work...MORE PLAY...WOOHOO. > > > > There is still a lot of muck in between the inner and middle reefs but > > I have it about 1/3 clear. I had to stop because there is a Blue Gill > > nesting and I don't want to disturb this. Betsy is there and right in > > my face. she has been caught and has an injury to her lip but if > > fungus doesn't set in, I think she'll be OK. There seems to be only > > three of the resident old chubbs left and so far, none of the new > > generation that were there last year. No sign of the catfish yet. I > > know they are are pretty old but I am going to miss them terribly when > > they are all gone. Last year I did see some resident little cats, > > probably from Moey's brood but they are still hiding in the rocks. > > > > The water hasn't cleared yet. Only about four foot visibility so there > > may be more fish in residence than I have seen so far. > > > > I replaced the cross current section of the reef on Sat. and the white > > tip shiners were already laying their eggs in between the rock layers on > > the roof of the "garage"by Sunday. They really love that set up for egg > > laying. I wish the water would clear so I could get more pictures of the > > mating. The get such high color ! But by the time the water clears, the > > mating slows down. > > > > I hope I haven't jinxed the summer by posting this. I'll go crazy if we > > get a lot of high water again. Weather report looks OK for this week. > > Keep your fingers crossed for me. > > > > Yours...Reefbuilder > > > > PS....The body glove works well but I forgot it on Sunday with water > > temp of 69, air temp of 74 and wind gusts to 30. I am sore all over > > from shivering. > - -- > > /"Unless stated otherwise, comments made on this list do not necessarily > > / reflect the beliefs or goals of the North American Native Fishes > > / Association" > > / This is the discussion list of the North American Native Fishes > Association > > / nanfa-in-aquaria.net. To subscribe, unsubscribe, or get help, send the word > > / subscribe, unsubscribe, or help in the body (not subject) of an email to > > / nanfa-request-in-aquaria.net. For a digest version, send the command to > > / nanfa-digest-request-in-aquaria.net instead. > > / For more information about NANFA, visit our web page, > http://www.nanfa.org-- > /"Unless stated otherwise, comments made on this list do not necessarily > / reflect the beliefs or goals of the North American Native Fishes > / Association" > / This is the discussion list of the North American Native Fishes Association > / nanfa-in-aquaria.net. To subscribe, unsubscribe, or get help, send the word > / subscribe, unsubscribe, or help in the body (not subject) of an email to > / nanfa-request-in-aquaria.net. For a digest version, send the command to > / nanfa-digest-request-in-aquaria.net instead. > / For more information about NANFA, visit our web page, http://www.nanfa.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:29:24 -0500 > From: "Hoover, Jan J ERDC-EL-MS" <Jan.J.Hoover-in-erdc.usace.army.mil> > Subject: RE: NANFA-- Hogsucker husbandry secret revealed? > > >>>What throws me in this scenario is that they only seem to do this when > they > have other food already going down the pipe.<<< > > Perhaps they are selecting alternate foods - meiofauna in the sand, etc. > > >>>I think Wally has a good suggestion as well, although I think that would > just be a side effect/benefit/selection and not a root cause for swallowing > the sand... "ballast" <<< > > Its been many years since I read the paper, but I believe Bill Matthews also > suggested that as a possibility. > > >>>I bumped the current > waaaaaaaaaay up in-in-least the 30 long. I have become incredibly enamoured > (was that obsessed?) with "the physics of the biology"....The hogsucker is a > great example, as the head acts like a forward facing > keel . They arch their backs and use their tail to keep that head down, > which allows them to effortlessly move about where they want in the > current.<<< > > We see similar behavior in other riverine fishes. Sturgeon, especially, can > maintain station in fast flows by sitting on the bottom, arching their > backs, pushing their nose down, and turning their fins up and back. We > originally called this behavior "hunkering" but an editor suggested that > that was poor terminology (not translatable into foreign languages and > possibly colloquial) so the term was changed to "substrate appression." > > For a physics-based interpretation of swimming, check out Steven Vogel's > "Life in Moving Fluids." Book was available in Edward R. Hamilton for just > a few dollars.-- > /"Unless stated otherwise, comments made on this list do not necessarily > / reflect the beliefs or goals of the North American Native Fishes > / Association" > / This is the discussion list of the North American Native Fishes Association > / nanfa-in-aquaria.net. To subscribe, unsubscribe, or get help, send the word > / subscribe, unsubscribe, or help in the body (not subject) of an email to > / nanfa-request-in-aquaria.net. For a digest version, send the command to > / nanfa-digest-request-in-aquaria.net instead. > / For more information about NANFA, visit our web page, http://www.nanfa.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:34:30 -0400 > From: "Bob Bock" <bockhouse-in-earthlink.net> > Subject: NANFA-- Maryland collecting trip this Saturday? > > Hi all. Native fish enthusiast Wally Bilingham is coming in to town from > Pittsburgh. He's asked Chris Scharpf and I if we'd take him on a local > collecting and fish photography trip. I thought I'd check with local > NANFAns and members of the DC area aquarium societies to see if there was > any interest. A time and location hasn't been set yet. We're leaning > towards Saturday the 3rd, but Monday the 5th is also a possiblity. > > This is just a short e-mail to gauge how much interest there is. Members of > all the local clubs are welcome, and if you'd like to forward this to an > e-mail list, please feel free. Once I hear from people, I'll try to make a > consensus decision > > Regarding a location, we're leaning heavily toward returning to Paintbranch > Creek in College Park, on the University of Maryland Campus. It's a > beautiful, clear clean stream that offers opportunities for snorkeling. > We've collected satinfin shiners there--a beautiful little minnow with > silver-satiny fins. I couldn't find a good picture of one on the web that > does them justice, but here's a link to a drawing > > http://fish.dnr.cornell.edu/nyfish/Cyprinidae/satinfinshinerpic.html > > > We were also debating a longer trip, down to Zekiah Swamp outside Waldorf, > for flier > > http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/fish/ponds/intro/3.htm > > bluespotted sunfish > > http://cars.er.usgs.gov/pics/nativefish/nativefish/nativefish_14.html > > redfin pickerel > > http://www.nanfa.org/fif/eamericanus.htm > > and warmouth > > http://www.tmm.utexas.edu/tnhc/fish/na/centrarc/chaenobr/cgulosus/cgulosu1.jpg > > Wally had mentioned collecting in the Patapsco-in-the end of Route 29. I've > never collected there, but the Maryland stream survey reports that there are > some rosyside dace there > > http://www.epa.gov/maia/html/md-aq2.html > > Finally, the best location that I know of for rosyside dace, as well as > sculpins and fantail darters is Little Bennett Creek, near Clarksburg. It's > probably the cleanest stream in Montgomery County, with a lot of little side > branches. > > http://www.nps.gov/isro/NR_Profile_Internal/NR_stills/fish_imag/pages/mottled%20sculpin_jpg.htm > > http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/dnap/rivfish/fantail.html > > Thanks, all.-- > /"Unless stated otherwise, comments made on this list do not necessarily > / reflect the beliefs or goals of the North American Native Fishes > / Association" > / This is the discussion list of the North American Native Fishes Association > / nanfa-in-aquaria.net. To subscribe, unsubscribe, or get help, send the word > / subscribe, unsubscribe, or help in the body (not subject) of an email to > / nanfa-request-in-aquaria.net. For a digest version, send the command to > / nanfa-digest-request-in-aquaria.net instead. > / For more information about NANFA, visit our web page, http://www.nanfa.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:35:34 -0400 > From: "Harry Knaub" <harryknaub-in-suscom.net> > Subject: Re: NANFA-- Maryland collecting trip this Saturday? > > Bob, > I would have to check with Jane about our plans this week, but I'm > interested. I'll have to get a license so let me know as your plans firm up. > Sorry that we didn't get to talk much-in-the convention, but I realized > after I got home just how little socializing I did. And that I regret. > > Harry Knaub > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Bock" <bockhouse-in-earthlink.net> > To: "Mike Thennet" <Michael.Thennet-in-l-3com.com>; <gwapa-in-yahoogroups.com>; > <PVAS-in-yahoogroups.com>; <nanfa-in-aquaria.net> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:34 PM > Subject: NANFA-- Maryland collecting trip this Saturday? > > > > Hi all. Native fish enthusiast Wally Bilingham is coming in to town from > > Pittsburgh. He's asked Chris Scharpf and I if we'd take him on a local > > collecting and fish photography trip.-- > /"Unless stated otherwise, comments made on this list do not necessarily > / reflect the beliefs or goals of the North American Native Fishes > / Association" > / This is the discussion list of the North American Native Fishes Association > / nanfa-in-aquaria.net. To subscribe, unsubscribe, or get help, send the word > / subscribe, unsubscribe, or help in the body (not subject) of an email to > / nanfa-request-in-aquaria.net. 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