Re: NANFA-- Re: nanfa V1 #1405 -- Swine Creek... the real swine

Robert Carillio (darterman_at_cboss.com)
Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:45:45 -0500

You are looking at two completely different uses of these vehicles. One is
out of necessity, the other out of recreation that can hurt a stream if
one decides to drive offroad vehicles down them....

> I don't wan't to start an uproar but 4x4 trails around here save more than
> they ruin. If it werent for those trails emergency vehicles wouldn't have
> any way to get back to people in trouble and fires ect.. so by saying
there
> are bad apples is very reasonable. I know when I got trail riding and
> shinning deer and whatever else i feel i wan't to do without walking, I
> throw my cans and what not into the bed, Once i hauled an engine block out
> of the woods with my truck that would have been there drippin oil for who
> knows how long!!!!!!!! Sure couldn't have put that under my arm!!!
>
> Matt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arlus F" <arlusf_at_cwnet.com>
> To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:35 PM
> Subject: NANFA-- Re: nanfa V1 #1405 -- Swine Creek... the real swine
>
>
> > However there is a problem with exploitation here because snowmobile and
> > off road vehicles are being pushed by big industry, sneakily riding on
> > the coat-tails of the healthy outdoor movement. Why should we permit
> > ourselves to be seduced into a dark culture of sinister marketing
> > practices whose greedy proponents preach unwholesome, destructive paths
> > that will undoubtably contain exponential future ramifications when they
> > are just as easily channeled towards productive, responsible attitudes?
> > Lets be clear about it. Look around and see what the problems are,
> > within and without. For instance, we can reinforce a practice of low
> > impact introduction to native fish for newcomers. This as an example and
> > not criticism. Our message will resound louder and farther if this sort
> > of internal integrity is observed. I have not seen a published model for
> > watershed preservation on NANFA or NFC. I have seen this sort of
> > information available on websites from other countries. We should be
> > approaching each area with an awareness of it's current state of health,
> > and know what the requirements of optimum health are for the type of
> > water it is. If we can manage to insulate these areas from the brunt of
> > our gross intrusions then we should be able to enjoy them indefinately.
> > My personal inclination is there be fewer roads in the back country, so
> > when you finally hike fifty miles away from the road, there will be a
> > relatively pristine surrounding to appreciate. Nothing is worse than
> > hiking fifty miles in and finding the alpine lake ringed with tracks,
> > trash on the ground and a slick of motor oil on the water. Maybe that is
> > normal for the East coast, but it is becoming more familiar on the West
> > coast. This is the sort of thing that really pisses me off. There is no
> > excuse for 4x4 access by saying it is only a few bad apples.
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