Re: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news

anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th
Sun, 14 Sep 2003 01:31:51 +0700

I agree that more evidence are needed before deciding to do drastic
action. I remembered someone in the list said before that wekala is
generally hard to collect except in some specific locations. Does
anyone study wekala's distribution and migration fully yet? Where is
wekala out of spawning season? What other factors can cause its
disappearance from a few spots? drought, pollution, etc etc.?

I and friends had been collecting a locale in Thailand that have a
special wild betta last year. After half a day we got only a single
female, so we were worried that, since the spot was collected by many
people often, the betta might be wiped out by overcollecting. 2
monthes later when the heavy rains and floods began my friend took a
few anabantoid-lovers from overseas to the same site without much
hope. They ended up getting two dozen bettas with only a few net
swoop... The area is actually inaccessible in most parts with only a
small fraction walkable and collectable, so most betta collected are
likely a small part of the population that spill out of the main
inaccessible area. Maybe wekala is not much different?

Tony
anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th


"B.G. Granier" wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
> As we all know, when the federal government gets involved, then a bad
> situation becomes even unmanageble, even more-so when a state government
> gets involved.........
>
> DNR is known for it's lack of funding, so how many years do you think it'd
> be before something is actually done for this species?
>
> Call in the USCG and they'll send in the Navy "Seals" and blow away the US
> Army Corps of Engineers?
>
> Let's get real and get some real evidence before we take some drastic
> measures.
>
> BG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Stallsmith" <fundulus_at_hotmail.com>
> To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 10:03 AM
> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
>
> > Such a statement to state DNRs could have a good effect just to draw it to
> > their attention. If worse comes to worst then we can say "we told you so"
> > for all the good that does... If welaka is listed as Special Concern in
> any
> > of these states, it would be a good focal point for asking for GENUINE
> > concern for the species and trying to stop their systematic elimination in
> > the wild. All we have to do is do it(!).
> >
> > --Bruce Stallsmith
> > Huntsville, AL, US of A
> >
> > >From: Christopher Scharpf <ichthos_at_comcast.net>
> > >Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > >To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> > >Subject: Re: NANFA-- Bluenose shiner news
> > >Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:52:24 -0400
> > >
> > >BG,
> > >
> > >I agree completely! But here's the deal: If unscrupulous collecting of
> > >welaka is taking place for hobbyists and/or the European aquarium trade,
> > >then wildlife officials will eventually be moved into action, and *all*
> > >native fishkeepers may get the blame. In this way, NANFA might be found
> > >guilty by association. And who knows, access to other (non-imperiled)
> > >natives might be denied. But if NANFA issues a pre-emptive policy
> statement
> > >against the collection of welaka, then NANFA -- and hence all native-fish
> > >enthusiasts -- will appear responsible and pro-active.
> > >
> > >Heck, it might be a good idea to issue such a statement *now*, as a
> > >precautionary measure. Send the statement to all state DNRs in the
> welaka's
> > >range, alerting them to the potential for unscrupulous collecting, and
> > >urging them to survey all populations and conclusively determine the
> > >conservation status of the species. NANFA could throw a few dollars in to
> > >help support the work.
> > >
> > >Perhaps some of you LA-MS-FL members can form a welaka work group. Heck,
> if
> > >a bunch of animal right nutcases can keep mute swans from being killed,
> why
> > >can't NANFA help protect the most beautiful minnow in North America?
> > >
> > >Chris
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