Re: NANFA-- Fish Non-Release Policy, welaka, better than welaka

anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th
Wed, 17 Sep 2003 03:35:06 +0700

Thanks. I don't know water temp can get that high in Germany. Maybe
different population of srbd have different temp tolerance.

Tony
anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th

Steffen Hellner wrote:
>
> My SRBD kept colour until end of April and spawned until mid of June. They
> come from Kentucky. I have had some from Ohio years ago which kept colour in
> aquarium for very much longer, but this year temperatures were high in the
> pond, close to 30 centigrades. At lower temps they will keep it longer.
>
> Steffen
>
> > Von: anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th
> > Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > Datum: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:41:19 +0700
> > An: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > Betreff: Re: NANFA-- Fish Non-Release Policy, welaka, better than welaka
> >
> > I think threatening and courting male fishes are the most beautiful
> > and interesting sight both in the wild and in the aquarium [eg. when
> > my male red shiners contest each other and make circles]. Wondering
> > does SRBD keep their bellies red most of the time [like red shiner] or
> > just during the spawning season?
> >
> > Tony
> > anutej_at_loxinfo.co.th
> >
> >
> >
> > Steffen Hellner wrote:
> >>
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> that sounds reasonable to me. Only one thing to raise for reflection: I
> >> assume welaka to be the Holy Graile only because it4s native, relatively
> >> rare, and difficult to maintain and breed. Plus the dominant males
> >> suppressing the others. if a tropical fish would be as sensitive and
> >> difficult I bet hardly anybody would care. It4s always nice to have the "on
> >> the edge" species. I am not free from this! There has to be a thrill, an
> >> impact on a species, whatever this will be for an individual. That4s what
> >> divides enthusiasts from mere fish-keepers - in my mind.
> >>
> >> And try to get a hand on Phoxinus oreas from here. If that species is nearly
> >> as prolific as SRBD, gee, go flood all ponds in the world. ;-)
> >>
> >> Steffen
> >>
> >>> Von: Mark <nanfa_at_jonahsaquarium.com>
> >>> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> >>> Datum: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:54:05 -0400
> >>> An: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> >>> Betreff: NANFA-- Fish Non-Release Policy, welaka, better than welaka
> >>>
> >>> At 1:16 PM -0500 9/15/03, Hoover, Jan J ERDC-EL-MS wrote:
> >>>> Like NANFA, Partners in Amphibian and Reptile Conservation (an
> >> organization
> >>>> for herp enthusiasts) also has a policy on not releasing captive animals.
> >>>> You can access their brochure here:
> >>>> http://www.parcplace.org/publications/index.htm#PARCanimalPolicy
> >>>> Something like this should be included in any order of aquatic organisms
> >>>> bought, sold, or traded by anyone.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We inlcude this notice with all shipments:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.jonahsaquarium.com/noreleasenote.htm
> >>>
> >>> Help yourself if you or anyone wants to use it. That's what it's
> >>> there for. Also, maybe we can do more to promote captive breeding.
> >>> One successful breeder could produce enough welaka or whatever to
> >>> supply all the native fish heads I know of who want them. (I think
> >>> Steffen already said that!) Also, all this focus of attention on
> >>> welaka, as though it were some Holy Grail of fishes, is likely to
> >>> only intensify pressure on the species. I'll chime in now and say
> >>> that Phoxinus oreas is the fish I've always considered the standard
> >>> for beautiful color and form. If you can get hold of a copy of
> >>> Freshwater Fishes of Virginia, there's a perfect one among the color
> >>> plates in the back, it's also in the monster Axelrod tropical fish
> >>> atlas; Plate 17 in American Aquarium Fishes by Robert J. Goldstein;
> >>> and plate 67 in Freshwater Fishes of the Carolinas, Virginia,
> >>> Maryland and Delaware. Here's a less than perfect shot:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.jonahsaquarium.com/picphoxoreas1.htm
> >>>
> >>> Six reasons not to catch Pteronotropis welaka for your aquarium:
> >>>
> >>> They are very fragile and drop dead if you look at them sideways.
> >>>
> >>> They are tiny, defenseless little fish that will be destroyed by any
> >>> tankmate bigger than a baby Heterandria formosa.
> >>>
> >>> They likely only live for a year even under optimal circumstances.
> >>>
> >>> The males are the only ones that are colorful and they only have the
> >>> color and long fins if they are in full breeding condition and happen
> >>> to be a primary male, or whatever the term is, that happens to have
> >>> the long finnage. Many mature males do not display this character.
> >>>
> >>> They are very difficult to collect, prefering waters that are deep,
> >>> dark and unwadable. Their habitat in also prefered by alligators and
> >>> water moccasins.
> >>>
> >>> There are _lots_ of fish that are easier to collect, easier to keep,
> >>> easier to breed, _and_ more colorful! And which are not in trouble
> >>> in the wild. If you need recommendations, let me know.
> >>>
> >>> There, I did my bit for welaka conservation. Maybe NANFA can write
> >>> its own grant proposal and use some of the Conservation Grants monies
> >>> to recruit a qualified researcher to do some hard field and
> >>> literature work to find out what's really up with welaka and how it
> >>> can be preserved. OK, stepping off soap box...
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mark
> >>> Ohio
> >>> USA
> >>> <))><
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