thank you. Sorry for using your post as introduction to the mailing list.
Had to start somewhere. Responses show that the annoying statement was made
on NFC.
As for the BTM, I am convinced that it would help a lot to have the AKA
involved in this conservation project. And for many other killifish more.
But there still is the evident thinking of "institutional experts" that they
are the only ones competent for this purpose. They forget that the knowledge
on how to breed fish was 99 % elaborated by hobbyists. And enthusiasm is
a better motor than a mere job. Anyway, good to have-in-least some species
in progress. For Megupsilon aporus or Cualac tesselatus it would have been
too late already if not hobbyists had them bred in their tanks. These two
mexican species are gone in the wild. So is Cyprinodon alvarezi - but many
in captivity.
Steffen
Am 11.05.2006 19:56 Uhr schrieb "J. C." unter <hillbillynursery-in-yahoo.com>:
> Steffen,
>
> Glad you joined us. I was puzzled when you posted
> your repsonce to my post and I knew I said nothing to
> you or anyone about destroying habitat.
>
> Yes there are several places in the USA which are
> breeding "Ark" species. Here in TN, I know that the
> Barrens TopMinnow(BTM) is being bred in atleast 2
> places. The BTM, like said by Matt who knows of the
> people breeding them-in-TTU college, are easy to breed
> in captivity. So why not allow these fish into the
> organized hobby group of the AKA or BAKA(british
> killifish group). I know that us that are used to
> working with killies could really help spread these
> captive strains. The AKA is used to keeping all
> strains pure with location codes. The only problem
> would be proof that they were not collected from the
> wild by the person with them. But I think that could
> be worked out.
>
> Later, John
>
> --- Steffen Hellner <steffen-in-hellner.biz> wrote:
>
>> Who are these "experts"? Zoos, aquariums, scientific
>> institutions?
>> They have more or less all failed in conserving even
>> single species of easy
>> to breed fish. Several species of Pupfish
>> (Cyprinodon) are higly threatened
>> or endangered. The best breeder of these and expert
>> I know of is a german
>> named Dieter Springer. He is breeding more than 25
>> species of Cyprinodon
>> over decades now. I am convinced there are US
>> citizens with expert abilities
>> in breeding native fish. Why not stand up and do
>> something together? Select
>> a number of species most in need of captive
>> propagation to establish backup
>> strains, go for the license to collect a limited
>> number and breed it. Then
>> provide other breeders with stock to multiply. There
>> will be numerous
>> serious breeders being interested to propagate fish
>> like the Pteronotropis,
>> Cyprinodon, Fundulus and else.
>>
>> In Europe there was a conservation program started
>> for Aphanius apodus, in
>> cooperation with an University. haven4t heard of it
>> for years but without
>> doubt, there are many more A. apodus outside this
>> "program" in tanks of
>> private enthusiast.
>>
>> The french expert Jean Huber together with Professor
>> Contreras from Mexico
>> had set up plans for recollecting (infact
>> re-doscovering!) of Millerichthys
>> robustus in Mexico. In that area other vanished
>> species could have been
>> rediscovered. Everything was organised and financed
>> private, the mexican
>> authorities granted to collect 5 specimen per
>> collector to set up a breeding
>> program. I was one of the candidates to go over but
>> with 5 fish it is hard
>> to establish a breeding stock. OK; have already
>> started with just a pair but
>> that wasn4t planned. The mexican project is dead now
>> as nobody will
>> accept such a minimum of stock. On the other hand
>> there are dozens of
>> species close to extinction in Mexico, the reasons
>> are the same as
>> everywhere in the world - agriculture, water
>> extraction, and pollution, but
>> the government rather lets them get extinct rather
>> than having them backed
>> up in aquariums. Very similar for many other
>> countries. For the USA I have
>> experienced that environmental agencies are way more
>> open to captive
>> breeding programs. But haven4t received evidence
>> there is any running at
>> all.
>>
>> Steffen
>>
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