Brain fart! I actually meant to say Streamline Chub (Erimystax dissimilis)
instead of Blotched Chub (E. ingsignis). I have not seen insignis in the
North Fork (have seen it in the nearby Clinch River). There are no records
of the fatlips from the North Fork to my knowledge, and although it bears a
resemblance, I don't think it is that. My best guess is it is Erimystax
dissimilis, and the fact that you collected some that had a more complete
lateral stripe in Tennessee reinforces that opinion. I have taken P.
uranops in the same spot, and you are correct in that it does look
different.
Rick Phillips
Kingsport, Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Crail, Todd" <tcrail-in-UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
To: <nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: NANFA-L-- unknown minnow
> Hi Rick,
>
> Do you have a Fishes of TN handy? I don't unfortunately, it's-in-school.
> Anyway from memory...
>
> Without holding it in my hands, I certainly wouldn't rule out fatlips
minnow
> (P. crassilabrium), regardless of wether you're in the North or South Fork
or
> not. You might have a new species record. Stargazers have much more
> laterally compressed heads, even if it is Pimephales.
>
> Might also be an "ecomorph" of Erimystax, either the gravel or streamline
> chubs. I was suprised-in-how complete the lateral stripe was in the Duck.
> May be the same story throughout the TN River.
>
> Todd
> The Mud-DEE Maumee Madness, Toledo, OH
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>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org on behalf of Rick Phillips
> Sent: Sun 5/28/2006 1:59 PM
> To: nanfa-l-in-nanfa.org
> Subject: NANFA-L-- unknown minnow
>
>
>
> Hey,
>
> For a number of years I've been catching a minnow out of the North Fork
> Holston River in northeast Tennessee, part of the Tennessee River Drainage
> system. I've always called these Blotched Chubs, because I know I've
> collected Blotched Chubs from this river before-in-the site where these
are
> found and they do look a lot like Blotched Chubs. Problem is that they
don't
> look quite like the Blotched Chubs I rememeber collectiing here back in
the
> 70's. They don't really have blotches, but rather a solid black stripe
along
> the lateral line. They actually look more like Phenacobius uranops (the
only
> Phenacobius found in this river), but not quite because they are much
fatter
> than the Phenacobius I remember catching here before. They look kindof
> inbetween a Blotched Chub and a Stargazing Minnow (Phenacobius). Here is
a
> link to a photo:
> http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/bluedubius/fish/unknown.jpg.
Opinions
> would be appreciated.
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Phillips
> Kingsport, Tennessee
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