Re: NANFA--thatpetplace.com/ The Real Cause of Sprawl

Robert Carillio (darterman_at_hotmail.com)
Mon, 04 Dec 2000 17:52:33 -0500

Jeff, There is not one "outlying area in Ohio that is cheaper to live in. I
can't see where you think these huge conglomerates are contributing to a tax
base (that is an archaic myth!), when they often get TAX ABATEMENTS and
drive under those that WERE ALREADY cpontributing to the tax. To steal from
one area to give to another is really no net gain in anything. All of what
you said, still does not answer a question of How much retail is actually
needed for a given area. You pay taxes to have to subsidize the
ifrastructure that goes with sprawl. This is where a developer will often
get away scott free. This is also something that people rarely look at. To
build more schools, roads, police and fire costs money! This is what YOU pay
to have all of this everywhere you look. This can also be viewd upon from
entirely an economic viewpoint, so we don't even have to make this an
environmental issue. We always want to blame government for all of this, and
it may be justified when they are the ones handing out all the corporate
welfare. The fact remains, that we as consumers, still have a choice to
either support this kind of enterprise or not. To curb sprawl, we must stop
the public subsidy that drives it in the first place, and get rid of the
mentality that bigger and/or cheaper is better! I prefer quality of life
rather than quantity. You should read the publication publishes by Eco-city
Cleveland, entitled "MOVING TO CORNFIELDS-AREADER ON URBAN SPRAWL" The
true statistics here alone, will show one that, at least in Ohio, sprawl has
actuall done all the opposit that the chamber driven folks would like us to
believe.... For the community as a whole. There is a dark and untold side to
this that is never told in the midst of going under the guise of "Taxes",
"Jobs", etc. One might find that all they were ever told, and touted as
good, is actually a bunch of lies!!!

>From: "B.G. Granier" <bgkajun_at_worldnet.att.net>
>Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
>Subject: Re: NANFA--thatpetplace.com/ The Real Cause of Sprawl
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:22:43 -0600
>
>Amen Brother!
>
>I pay 90 cents local taxes for every $10 bucks I spend.......
>
>That's 9 percent out of the money I cleared after the other state and
>federal taxes!
>
>Think about it!
>
>BG
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jeffrey Fullerton <tcmajorr_at_westol.com>
>To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 1:24 PM
>Subject: Re: NANFA--thatpetplace.com/ The Real Cause of Sprawl
>
>
> > > n conclusion, I am not saying that the big guys have no place in our
> > > economy, rather, they do NOT have to be on every corner of every town
> > > saturating the market until the rest of us are snubbed out. This is
>not
>free
> > > enterprise when only a few benefit and zap your choice away. This is
>what it
> > > means to support, whenever possible, the local independents...... if
> > > nothing else..... to spare some greenspace and the places where our
>beloved
> > > native fishes come from in the first place. The very habitat that
>inspired
> > > us in the first place to appreciate these wonderful creatures!
> > >
> >
> > Have you ever wondered about the real cause of urban sprawl?
> >
> > One of the biggest problems facing small business is the morass of taxes
> > and regulatory burdens imposed by government at all levels. Big business
> > on the other hand often benefits from regulations that squeeze out the
> > competition from below because they have more resources at their
> > disposal and can redistibute costs better. They also get all the favors
> > from local governments that are hungry for the revinue. They way they
> > see things is that Walmart will employ more people and pay more taxes
> > than some selfish little entriprenure who is barely making enough to
> > stay in businuss.
> >
> > Alot of that is going on right now in our region - esp in downtown
> > Pittsburgh where Mayor Tom (Eminent Domain) Murphy has pushed small mom
> > & pop operations aside to make way for a big developer. In this case it
> > could be argued that it was for the 'greater good' but it was not at all
> > fair to those displaced - who could have hung on if the city had not
> > stepped in - people who worked for themselves as opposed to having to
> > work for someone else.
> >
> > Environmentalists howl about the evils of urban sprawl but they usually
> > neglect to address the real cause. Why are people so desperate to run
> > away from the cities?
> > The real driving force behind sprawl is that government is it's own
> > worst enemy - a good example would be city govt of the District of
> > Columbia - which like many city governments became a veratable gravy
> > train for city employees. It takes taxes to support that kind of
> > organization and that translates into higher costs for everything - be
> > it utilities, food , higher taxes on property owners etc. While
> > stationed at Andrews AFB I remember the owner of a petshop just inside
> > the DC city limits saying that taxes were the reason night crawlers
> > costed double what they cost me here in W. Pennsylvania. People will
> > only tollerate so much and those with the means inevitably relocate to
> > outlying districts where the cost of living is lower.
> > Businesses also migrate where the cost of operating is lower and less
> > constrained by regulations.
> >
> > You can't blame people from bailing out. Communities that tax and
> > constrain private enterprise too much ruin the source of their
> > prosperity and force people out to displace ecosystems elsewhere. So
> > then they bend over backwards trying to lure in the mega stores or cut
> > their own throats to get a factory somewhere else to relocate for the
> > sake of aquiring a lucrative stream of new revinue!
> >
> > Of course we are all at fault. Because we allow government grow big
> > enough in the first place to aquire a ravenous appetite it levies taxes
> > on a percieved ëfair market valueí of real property with the deliberate
> > intent to displace existing ownership and encourage over development.
> > Government should really be in in business to safegaurd life and
> > property of citizens as opposed to manipulation of land use and
> > infrastructure development for the sake of revinue enhancement to
> > finance it's own expansion.
> >
> > In order to stop urban spraw it is necessary to stop government sprawl!
> >
> > Only when a sizable majority wises up to this game and decides to do
> > something will things ever change.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
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