Re: NANFA-- Columbia trip gear (hellbenders plus!)

Steffen Hellner (steffen_at_hellner.biz)
Thu, 08 Jan 2004 11:26:17 +0100

That4s one of the points why there is so much confusion about the real
situation for the subspecies in general and populations in particular.

To me it sound rational to prove the actual situation, detect tendencies and
try to do what can be done to avoid the hellbenders from coming to a
critical situation rather than waiting for that. In the past actions were
merely taken not before a species was in a critical situation but then it
is/has been too late too many times.

I completely agree to your look at pers. comm. and apparently judgements as
these are possibly affected by individual or political prejudices.

Steffen

> Von: archimedes_at_bayspringstel.net
> Antworten an: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> Datum: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:16:12 -0500
> An: "nanfa_at_aquaria.net" <nanfa at aquaria.net>
> Betreff: Re: NANFA-- Columbia trip gear (hellbenders plus!)
>
> Quoting Bruce Stallsmith <fundulus_at_hotmail.com>:
>
>
>> animals or as preserved specimens. Overcollecting has been considered a
>> serious threat in Arkansas (Osborne, pers. comm. 1992); a decline was
noted
>> in the early 1990s, apparently due to collecting (1992, End. Sp. Tech.
Bull.
>
> I would have to go to the primary sources, but I treat "pers. comm." and
> "apparently" with suspicion. I'm not saying you're wrong - I would just
have
> to
> get the information firsthand. It sounds like recreational collecting
should
> be
> off-limits for certain AK pops, but where the animal is S4 or S5, what's
the
> harm?
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