Prost,
Martin
Jackson, MS
Quoting Stan Perkins <stanperkins_at_academicplanet.com>:
> Nick,
> How often do you have to replace specimens on exhibit?
> How often do you have breeding success with your specimens on exhibit? I
> dare say that there are a lot of hobbist out there with the same drive and
> interest as any "professional". From your unrealistic statements, you are
> either very young or very inexperienced - or both. An aquarium, a pond or
> any artificial enclosure is just that - artificial. You cannot maintain
> specimens in "their native environments" in a tank. You must go out of you
> way to provide a habitat that the animals feel comfortable in. One measure
> of that comfort is natural behavior and spawing with subsiquent rearing of
> the young. If you believe that this does not require dedication, observation
> skills and a love of your subjects, you have problems. There aquarist in the
> world that are so knowledgeble that professionals utilize their knowledge
> and experience in their own work.
> Finally it is impossible to seperate a love a species from a love of its
> native environment. Aquarist jump through hoops providing environments as
> close to nature as possible. EVEN to the point of using muddy leafy bottoms
> where the fish seem never to be seen. Grow up - talk to these folks and you
> will find kindred lovers of nature. But never, never put someone down
> because you feel you are better than they are because you look at things
> from a different angle. Diversity is Mother Nature smiling.
>
> Enough preaching I'm going to eat a bowl of shrimp and gar gumbo with smoked
> mullet.
>
> Stan Perkins
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Zarlinga" <njz_at_clevelandmetroparks.com>
> To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:16 AM
> Subject: RE: NANFA-- Collecting ethics
>
>
> > Measuring the passion quotient is easy. Look at the huge number of
> > hobbyists in the world and you tell me how many have the incling that
> > tropical fish actually come from a real place! As we have discussed. The
> > problem with humans is that we are so disconnected with our environment
> and
> > we loose site that our animals actually came from a wild place! We
> discuss
> > is all the time on this list. Rember the thread about how people are told
> > that you have to boil your driftwood and rocks before you put them in your
> > aquarium? And hobbyists have a tendency to keep their aquariums sparkling
> > clean. No algae and no detritus is how fish are supposed to be kept? As
> if
> > these fish are never exposed to mud, pathogens, or algae in their natural
> > environment. Hobbyists don't think of where there fish come from, they
> just
> > think of them in the tank. Again, this is shear numbers alone. The exact
> > opposite thinking is what endeared me to NANFA. A group of hobbyists who
> > are really in tune with their animals *and* the natural environments where
> > they come from. We can have intelligent debates about all these topics.
> > But I don't believe that you can tell me that the percentage of hobbyists
> in
> > this country who have a serious passion about their animals is the same as
> > in the professional world. Again its all about numbers. And we all b*tch
> > about the "average" hobbyist on this list server.
> >
> > Nick Zarlinga
> > Aquarium Biologist
> > Cleveland Metroparks Zoo
> > 216.661.6500 ext 4485
> >
> >
> > ><)> -----Original Message-----
> > ><)> From: owner-nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > ><)> On Behalf
> > ><)> Of EELReprah_at_aol.com
> > ><)> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 10:10 AM
> > ><)> To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
> > ><)> Subject: Re: NANFA-- Collecting ethics
> > ><)>
> > ><)>
> > ><)> In a message dated 1/12/04 9:50:27 AM,
> > ><)> njz_at_clevelandmetroparks.com writes:
> > ><)>
> > ><)> << There are certainly a higher percentage of
> > ><)> biologists with a
> > ><)>
> > ><)> passion that hobbyists. >>
> > ><)>
> > ><)> I don't buy that. I think the percentage of
> > ><)> passion is probably the same. The
> > ><)> hobbyist has only passion as a driving force, The
> > ><)> professional has both
> > ><)> passion and livelihood. Quantitative evaluation is
> > ><)> impossible since I don't know
> > ><)> how to measure the passion quotient.
> > ><)>
> > ><)> Lee Harper
> > ><)> Media, PA
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