RE: NANFA-- RE: Speckled Chub fish

Nick Zarlinga (njz_at_clevelandmetroparks.com)
Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:09:25 -0500

Good points and I will make sure next time to be more aware of such things.
I still don't think that asking which state the person is from is too risky,
however, since as we discussed recently ;) a fish that is endangered on one
side of the line may not be on the other side. That is why I thought it was
important information to have. Also, I wanted to sort of let her know that
we are not going to do *all* her homework for her ;) I hate when people
(usually parents) call up and say, "my kid has a paper due tomorrow on "x".
Can you tell me everything you know about "x"?"

No negativity taken, all valid points.

Nick Zarlinga
Aquarium Biologist
Cleveland Metroparks Zoo
216.661.6500 ext 4485

><)> -----Original Message-----
><)> From: owner-nanfa_at_aquaria.net
><)> On Behalf
><)> Of Todd Crail
><)> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 3:05 PM
><)> To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
><)> Subject: Re: NANFA-- RE: Speckled Chub fish
><)>
><)>
><)> It might be better to just suggest going to "your
><)> state's Department of
><)> Natural Resources website" than asking what state.
><)> Even make suggestions on
><)> how to google that stuff... That might be
><)> excellent standard copy you can
><)> pass along. Like say:
><)>
><)> Go to http://www.google.com
><)> Search by "[your state] department natural
><)> resources area service fish"
><)> Search by "[species name] [common name]"
><)>
><)> etc.
><)>
><)> Reading it again, the sentences with "state" and
><)> "members" were back to
><)> back, and my mind merged them. I hate it that we
><)> even have to think about
><)> things like that, but we do. When I'm at schools,
><)> there's _always_ another
><)> adult around.
><)>
><)> I may be a creepy fish guy, but I don't need to
><)> get branded that type of
><)> "creepy"! :)
><)>
><)> Again, this is absolutely no criticism! I just
><)> saw it and though "hmmmmm...
><)> maybe we should talk a little about this." :)
><)>
><)> ----- Original Message -----
><)> From: "Nick Zarlinga" <njz_at_clevelandmetroparks.com>
><)> To: <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
><)> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:44 PM
><)> Subject: RE: NANFA-- RE: Speckled Chub fish
><)>
><)>
><)> > Good points, and that was why I only asked which
><)> state she was from so
><)> that
><)> > if someone had a biologist contact, she could
><)> contact them. Do you still
><)> > think that I asked too much info? I didn't
><)> think that I suggested that
><)> > NANFA members get involved in any other way than
><)> though the list server.
><)> > Help me, this is important!
><)> >
><)> > Nick Zarlinga
><)> > Aquarium Biologist
><)> > Cleveland Metroparks Zoo
><)> > 216.661.6500 ext 4485
><)> >
><)> >
><)> > ><)> -----Original Message-----
><)> > ><)> From: owner-nanfa_at_aquaria.net
><)> > ><)> On Behalf
><)> > ><)> Of Todd Crail
><)> > ><)> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:33 PM
><)> > ><)> To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
><)> > ><)> Subject: Re: NANFA-- RE: Speckled Chub fish
><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)> FWIW You might want to keep this
><)> electronic and
><)> > ><)> not suggest kids get
><)> > ><)> involved with NANFA members or asking any
><)> > ><)> information about where they live
><)> > ><)> besides what they've already
><)> volunteered. There's
><)> > ><)> plenty of information on
><)> > ><)> the Internet, and from our
><)> collective group here
><)> > ><)> on the list, that we
><)> > ><)> shouldn't open ourselves to that kind of
><)> > ><)> liability. I certainly hope this
><)> > ><)> would never come out as the case...
><)> But I think we
><)> > ><)> need to recognize that
><)> > ><)> this does have some open ends, and
><)> it gives me
><)> > ><)> chills as a Board Member ;)
><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)> Otherwise, you're doing a fabulous
><)> job Nick! Keep
><)> > ><)> up the great work :)
><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)> And I think everyone should read
><)> this, and is why
><)> > ><)> I've sent it to the
><)> > ><)> general list... As you all may not
><)> have thought
><)> > ><)> about how quickly someone
><)> > ><)> can get into trouble with an
><)> accusation, and not
><)> > ><)> open themselves to
><)> > ><)> liability. Really, we should think
><)> about some
><)> > ><)> code of conduct when dealing
><)> > ><)> with youngsters and what "policy" is.
><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)> This was presented to me in a very
><)> real fashion
><)> > ><)> years back when my buddy was
><)> > ><)> a nanny. One of the kids wanted
><)> ice cream and he
><)> > ><)> was told "No, you haven't
><)> > ><)> behaved well today." The kid
><)> brazenly told him
><)> > ><)> he'd tell his Mom my friend
><)> > ><)> sexually abused him if he didn't
><)> give him the ice cream.
><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)> I don't want to see anyone's well being
><)> > ><)> compromised... The kids or the
><)> > ><)> adults.
><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)> And no... You don't have to forward
><)> this to our
><)> > ><)> young researcher ;)
><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)> Todd
><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)> ----- Original Message -----
><)> > ><)> From: "Nick Zarlinga"
><)> <njz_at_clevelandmetroparks.com>
><)> > ><)> To: "'Katie Lynne Donovan'"
><)> <katie_at_donovanhome.com>
><)> > ><)> Cc: "NANFA List Server (E-mail)"
><)> <nanfa_at_aquaria.net>
><)> > ><)> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:04 PM
><)> > ><)> Subject: NANFA-- RE: Speckled Chub fish
><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)> > Hi Katie, thanks for visiting the
><)> NANFA website.
><)> > ><)> I will send your
><)> > ><)> questions
><)> > ><)> > to people on our list server and
><)> see if anyone
><)> > ><)> can help you. You have
><)> > ><)> > certainly asked a lot of
><)> questions, we will do
><)> > ><)> our best to help you. As I
><)> > ><)> > get messages, I will forward them
><)> to you. One
><)> > ><)> suggestion that I would
><)> > ><)> give
><)> > ><)> > you is to contact your local Division of
><)> > ><)> Wildlife and speak with some of
><)> > ><)> the
><)> > ><)> > biologists. I am sure that they
><)> can give you a
><)> > ><)> bunch of information.
><)> > ><)> Also,
><)> > ><)> > for us to be able to help you
><)> better, which
><)> > ><)> state do you live in? We
><)> > ><)> might
><)> > ><)> > have some members who have
><)> contacts that they
><)> > ><)> can give to you. It would
><)> > ><)> > also help if you told us a bit
><)> about what you
><)> > ><)> know of this species and why
><)> > ><)> > you picked it as a topic for your
><)> 8th grade
><)> > ><)> project. Good luck!
><)> > ><)> >
><)> > ><)> > Nick Zarlinga
><)> > ><)> > Aquarium Biologist
><)> > ><)> > Cleveland Metroparks Zoo
><)> > ><)> > 216.661.6500 ext 4485
><)> > ><)> >
><)> > ><)> >
><)> > ><)> > ><)> -----Original Message-----
><)> > ><)> > ><)> From: Katie Lynne Donovan
><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)> > ><)> Sent: Tuesday,
><)> February 03, 2004 10:58 AM
><)> > ><)> > ><)> To: junk1_at_fish.la.asu.edu
><)> > ><)> > ><)> Subject: Speckled Chub fish
><)> > ><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)> > ><)>
><)> > ><)> > ><)> Hi! I am doing
><)> research on the
><)> > ><)> speckled chub fish
><)> > ><)> > ><)> for an 8th
><)> > ><)> > ><)> grade project. This
><)> research is
><)> > ><)> pertaining to the species'
><)> > ><)> > ><)> population status.
><)> Questions that I
><)> > ><)> need answered are:
><)> > ><)> > ><)> --Other species
><)> within the genus- others
><)> > ><)> > ><)> endangered or not?
><)> > ><)> > ><)> what makes species
><)> more vulnerable?
><)> > ><)> > ><)> --Known factors
><)> contributing to its
><)> > ><)> population
><)> > ><)> > ><)> status-habitat
><)> > ><)> > ><)> destruction, human population
><)> > ><)> encroachment, etc.?
><)> > ><)> > ><)> --Outlook for the
><)> future of this species
><)> > ><)> > ><)> population numbers-
><)> > ><)> > ><)> reason for optimism
><)> or concern?
><)> > ><)> > ><)> --Management
><)> plan-any programs
><)> > ><)> underway to bolster
><)> > ><)> > ><)> populations or
><)> reserve habitat?
><)> > ><)> > ><)> If you find and resources or
><)> > ><)> information related to these
><)> > ><)> > ><)> questions please
><)> e-mail me at:
><)> > ><)> > ><)> katie_at_donovanhome.com. Thank
><)> > ><)> > ><)> you!
><)> > ><)> > ><)> -Katie
><)> > ><)> > ><)>
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