Re: NANFA-- new england meeting today sunday

George Arndt (georgeacim_at_hotmail.com)
Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:48:59 -0400

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Brian,
take it easy. first i did not complain. it is your perception that i
complained. I simply stated that the location of the meeting was NEVER
given and therefore it was impossible to go. this is NOT a complaint it is
a simple statement of FACT. How can anyone be expected to show up for a
meeting when no one knows where it is located.

a second statement of fact is that we were told there would be a collection
trip in April. it NEVER happened. we were told there would be a collection
trip in May. it NEVER happened. we were told there would be a collection
trip in June. only because i stated the above we were immediately promised
a collection on the last sunday of June. IT NEVER HAPPENED.

THIRD STATEMENT OF FACT. IT DID NOT RAIN UP MY WAY EXCEPT FOR A MINOR
DRIZZLE FOR A MINUTE OR TWO. I WORK PAINTING HOUSES ON DAYS LIKE THIS ALL
THE TIME. I MENTION THIS SO MEMBERS OF NANFA CAN KNOW THAT THE REASON THE
MEETING WAS CALLED OFF WAS BECAUSE OF SOME KIND OF HORRIBLE STORMS COMING.
WELL I DID NOT EXPERIENCE THEM. MAYBE YOU DID IN YOUR AREA. I DONT KNOW.

THESE ARE SIMPLE STATEMENTS OF FACTS. THEY ARE NOT COMPLAINTS. THE TRUTH
IS THE TRUTH.

ARE YOU AND OTHER MEMBERS OF NANFA SAYING THAT IF I TELL THE SIMPLE
STATEMENTS OF TRUTH THEN I AM NOT WELCOME IN NANFA. WELL THAT IS OK WITH
ME. I CAN LIVE HAPPY WITHOUT NANFA.

MY ORIGINAL LETTER WAS NOT AN ATTACK ON RICK. IT WAS A STATEMENT THAT WHEN
WE MAKE PROMISES AND DO NOT FULFILL THEM AND DO NOT PROPERLY INFORM THE ONE
WHO IS COUNTING ON THE FULFILLMENT OF THE PROMISE THEN THE CHILD SUFFERS
FROM ABUSE WHEN THE PARENTS DO NOT FULFILL THEIR PROMISES TO THE CHILDREN.

MY ORIGINAL LETTER ABOUT ABUSE WAS A LETTER OF LOVE. IT WAS A LETTER COMING
FROM LOVE INSIDE OF ME TO EDUCATE AND INFORM SO THAT WE CAN STOP ABUSING
CHILDREN AND OTHERS. IT WAS NOT TO ATTACK RICK. THIS IS THE TRUE FEELINGS
IN MY HEART. NO ONE CAN TELL ME THAT THE FEELINGS INSIDE OF ME WERE NOT
COMING FROM LOVE. I KNOW THEY WERE COMING FROM LOVE.

MY GUESS IS THAT THOSE WHO SUPPORT RICK AND ATTACK ME ARE REALLY SUPPORTING
THEIR OWN HABBIT OF MAKING PROMISES AND THEN NOT FULFILLING THEM. THEY ARE
ABUSEING THOSE THEY LOVE AND NOT KNOWING IT. I HAVE COME FORTH TO TELL THE
TRUTH AND ASK EVERYONE TO BE AWARE OF YOURSELF AND NOT ACCIDENTALLY ABUSE
THOSE YOU LOVE. I KNOW THE FEELINGS INSIDE OF ME AND I FELT ABUSED WHEN
PROMISES MADE TO ME ABOUT COLLECTING TRIPS WERE NEVER FULFILLED. NO ONE CAN
TELL ME MY FEELINGS WERE DIFFERENT THAN THE FEELINGS THAT I EXPERIENCED.

PEOPLE DO TELL ME I SHOULD NOT FEEL THAT WAY. BUT I DO FEEL THE FEELINGS.
AND IN THE RECOVERY MOVEMENT OF DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILIES IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT
IT IS AN ABUSE TO TELL A CHILD HE SHOULD NOT FEEL THE WAY HE FEELS. IF WE
SAY THIS TO A CHILD THEN WE ARE TEACHING THE CHILD THAT THERE MUST BE
SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM BECAUSE HE DOES NOT FEEL CORRECT. WE ARE TELLING
HIM THAT WHEN HE FEELS ABUSE HE SHOULD FEEL GOOD. REDICULOUS. WE NEED TO
CHANGE OURSELVES NOT THE CHILD.

OUR PARENTS RAISED US TELLING US WE SHOULD NOT FEEL THE WAY WE FEEL. BUT WE
NEED TO NOT TELL THAT TO OUR CHILDREN. WE NEED TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF ABUSE.
IF ONE PERSON IN NANFA JUST ONCE DECIDES TO FULFILL HIS PROMISE TO HIS
CHILD THEN ALL THE JUNK I HAVE GONE THROUGH HERE ON THIS EMAIL LIST WILL BE
WELL WORTH IT. I LOVE YOU LITTLE KID WHERE EVER YOU ARE AND I WILL FIGHT
FOR YOU TO NOT BE ABUSED BY UNFULFILLED PROMISES.

GEORGE ARNDT
HARVARD, MASS

>From: Brian Bastarache <bast_at_ici.net>
>Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>Subject: Re: NANFA-- new england meeting today sunday
>Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 10:21:18 -0400
>
>Do you have any grasp on the concept that IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!!!!
>There are other people who also belong to this organization! The meetings
>have been moved around southern New England in an attenp to be fair to
>EVERYONE!
>
>During all this complaining I have not once heard you offer a possible
>solution or offer to help run this chapter. If you are not part of the
>solution than you are part of the problem. If you are unhappy with the way
>things are being run help! I think on the next meeting we should consider
>officers. As it stands Rego is doing everything. Then we'll see who puts
>up and who shuts up.
>
>Let's be mature (unselfish) and constructive. Let's work together.
>
>Brian Bastarache
>New England Chapter
>
>PS: And by the way.... since we are quoting do you know why the meeting is
>cancelled? Do you know why both meeting sites fell through. I try to have
>all the relative info before I acuse. If I don't have that information I
>ASK FIRST! Maybe you could find a meeting place and plan a meeting?
>
>
>At 09:48 AM 6/24/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >well we have 2 possible locations for todays meeting. i know everyone
>hates
> >me for speaking up and saying what i perceive. but you read the
>information
> >i have.
> >
> >quote:
> >
> >Good Day,
> >
> > We have two meetings planned for June. One is planned for June 10th
>in
> >Old Lyme CT. At this meeting we will try to line up some collecting
> >localities in CT. We will look to have CT members head possible
> >collecting trips in their state. There may be fish up for auction at
> >this meeting, along with the usual door prizes, etc. Refreshments will
> >be served.
> >
> > Our second meeting, planned for June 24th, will be held in MA. We
>are
> >working on booking a meeting spot at the Buttonwood Park Zoo in New
> >Bedford. We would like to have a behind-the-scenes tour of their
> >aquatics building, and then head off to collect. If we cannot book the
> >zoo, our meeting will be held again in Dighton at the Bristol County
> >Natural History Center (sight of former NANFA meetings). From there we
> >will head off collecting.
> >
> > Keep your eyes on the mailbox for the meeting announcements.
> >
> >end quote:
> >
> >i have the letter sent to me. i opened that today and it ONLY talks
>about
> >the June 10 meeting in connecticut. NO mention at all about todays
>meeting.
> >
> >I checked all the nanfa emails for the last month and find NO mention of
> >where the meeting will be. this is some 75 miles or more from my house
>and
> >i dont see how i can drive around looking for people so i guess I will
>not
> >be able to attend. this should make some people happy.
> >
> >george arndt
> >harvard, mass
> >
> >still waiting for my first collection trip. thought it would be today
>but
> >it will not be today. hope we get one in this year. I have had my heart
> >all set on going to a nanfa collection trip at the January meeting and at
> >the February meeting. i passed on the march meeting in connecticut. and
> >then none in april or may and back in connecticut on june 10. today
>sunday
> >june 24 is to be a collection trip in massachusetts but i dont know where
>to
> >meet.
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