Brian
Again PS: The cacellation of the meeting was not entirely due to the
weather. You stil don't have all the information and still you attempt to
"state the truth".
We will have a meeting. We will go out collecting all together. We will
all have a good time together. Until we can organize it, go collecting.
We wil all get together soon.
At 08:48 PM 6/24/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Brian,
>take it easy. first i did not complain. it is your perception that i
>complained. I simply stated that the location of the meeting was NEVER
>given and therefore it was impossible to go. this is NOT a complaint it is
>a simple statement of FACT. How can anyone be expected to show up for a
>meeting when no one knows where it is located.
>
>a second statement of fact is that we were told there would be a collection
>trip in April. it NEVER happened. we were told there would be a collection
>trip in May. it NEVER happened. we were told there would be a collection
>trip in June. only because i stated the above we were immediately promised
>a collection on the last sunday of June. IT NEVER HAPPENED.
>
>THIRD STATEMENT OF FACT. IT DID NOT RAIN UP MY WAY EXCEPT FOR A MINOR
>DRIZZLE FOR A MINUTE OR TWO. I WORK PAINTING HOUSES ON DAYS LIKE THIS ALL
>THE TIME. I MENTION THIS SO MEMBERS OF NANFA CAN KNOW THAT THE REASON THE
>MEETING WAS CALLED OFF WAS BECAUSE OF SOME KIND OF HORRIBLE STORMS COMING.
>WELL I DID NOT EXPERIENCE THEM. MAYBE YOU DID IN YOUR AREA. I DONT KNOW.
>
>THESE ARE SIMPLE STATEMENTS OF FACTS. THEY ARE NOT COMPLAINTS. THE TRUTH
>IS THE TRUTH.
>
>ARE YOU AND OTHER MEMBERS OF NANFA SAYING THAT IF I TELL THE SIMPLE
>STATEMENTS OF TRUTH THEN I AM NOT WELCOME IN NANFA. WELL THAT IS OK WITH
>ME. I CAN LIVE HAPPY WITHOUT NANFA.
>
>MY ORIGINAL LETTER WAS NOT AN ATTACK ON RICK. IT WAS A STATEMENT THAT WHEN
>WE MAKE PROMISES AND DO NOT FULFILL THEM AND DO NOT PROPERLY INFORM THE ONE
>WHO IS COUNTING ON THE FULFILLMENT OF THE PROMISE THEN THE CHILD SUFFERS
>FROM ABUSE WHEN THE PARENTS DO NOT FULFILL THEIR PROMISES TO THE CHILDREN.
>
>MY ORIGINAL LETTER ABOUT ABUSE WAS A LETTER OF LOVE. IT WAS A LETTER COMING
>FROM LOVE INSIDE OF ME TO EDUCATE AND INFORM SO THAT WE CAN STOP ABUSING
>CHILDREN AND OTHERS. IT WAS NOT TO ATTACK RICK. THIS IS THE TRUE FEELINGS
>IN MY HEART. NO ONE CAN TELL ME THAT THE FEELINGS INSIDE OF ME WERE NOT
>COMING FROM LOVE. I KNOW THEY WERE COMING FROM LOVE.
>
>MY GUESS IS THAT THOSE WHO SUPPORT RICK AND ATTACK ME ARE REALLY SUPPORTING
>THEIR OWN HABBIT OF MAKING PROMISES AND THEN NOT FULFILLING THEM. THEY ARE
>ABUSEING THOSE THEY LOVE AND NOT KNOWING IT. I HAVE COME FORTH TO TELL THE
>TRUTH AND ASK EVERYONE TO BE AWARE OF YOURSELF AND NOT ACCIDENTALLY ABUSE
>THOSE YOU LOVE. I KNOW THE FEELINGS INSIDE OF ME AND I FELT ABUSED WHEN
>PROMISES MADE TO ME ABOUT COLLECTING TRIPS WERE NEVER FULFILLED. NO ONE CAN
>TELL ME MY FEELINGS WERE DIFFERENT THAN THE FEELINGS THAT I EXPERIENCED.
>
>PEOPLE DO TELL ME I SHOULD NOT FEEL THAT WAY. BUT I DO FEEL THE FEELINGS.
>AND IN THE RECOVERY MOVEMENT OF DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILIES IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT
>IT IS AN ABUSE TO TELL A CHILD HE SHOULD NOT FEEL THE WAY HE FEELS. IF WE
>SAY THIS TO A CHILD THEN WE ARE TEACHING THE CHILD THAT THERE MUST BE
>SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM BECAUSE HE DOES NOT FEEL CORRECT. WE ARE TELLING
>HIM THAT WHEN HE FEELS ABUSE HE SHOULD FEEL GOOD. REDICULOUS. WE NEED TO
>CHANGE OURSELVES NOT THE CHILD.
>
>OUR PARENTS RAISED US TELLING US WE SHOULD NOT FEEL THE WAY WE FEEL. BUT WE
>NEED TO NOT TELL THAT TO OUR CHILDREN. WE NEED TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF ABUSE.
> IF ONE PERSON IN NANFA JUST ONCE DECIDES TO FULFILL HIS PROMISE TO HIS
>CHILD THEN ALL THE JUNK I HAVE GONE THROUGH HERE ON THIS EMAIL LIST WILL BE
>WELL WORTH IT. I LOVE YOU LITTLE KID WHERE EVER YOU ARE AND I WILL FIGHT
>FOR YOU TO NOT BE ABUSED BY UNFULFILLED PROMISES.
>
>GEORGE ARNDT
>HARVARD, MASS
>
>
>>From: Brian Bastarache <bast_at_ici.net>
>>Reply-To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>To: nanfa_at_aquaria.net
>>Subject: Re: NANFA-- new england meeting today sunday
>>Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 10:21:18 -0400
>>
>>Do you have any grasp on the concept that IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!!!!
>>There are other people who also belong to this organization! The meetings
>>have been moved around southern New England in an attenp to be fair to
>>EVERYONE!
>>
>>During all this complaining I have not once heard you offer a possible
>>solution or offer to help run this chapter. If you are not part of the
>>solution than you are part of the problem. If you are unhappy with the way
>>things are being run help! I think on the next meeting we should consider
>>officers. As it stands Rego is doing everything. Then we'll see who puts
>>up and who shuts up.
>>
>>Let's be mature (unselfish) and constructive. Let's work together.
>>
>>Brian Bastarache
>>New England Chapter
>>
>>PS: And by the way.... since we are quoting do you know why the meeting is
>>cancelled? Do you know why both meeting sites fell through. I try to have
>>all the relative info before I acuse. If I don't have that information I
>>ASK FIRST! Maybe you could find a meeting place and plan a meeting?
>>
>>
>>At 09:48 AM 6/24/01 -0400, you wrote:
>> >well we have 2 possible locations for todays meeting. i know everyone
>>hates
>> >me for speaking up and saying what i perceive. but you read the
>>information
>> >i have.
>> >
>> >quote:
>> >
>> >Good Day,
>> >
>> > We have two meetings planned for June. One is planned for June 10th
>>in
>> >Old Lyme CT. At this meeting we will try to line up some collecting
>> >localities in CT. We will look to have CT members head possible
>> >collecting trips in their state. There may be fish up for auction at
>> >this meeting, along with the usual door prizes, etc. Refreshments will
>> >be served.
>> >
>> > Our second meeting, planned for June 24th, will be held in MA. We
>>are
>> >working on booking a meeting spot at the Buttonwood Park Zoo in New
>> >Bedford. We would like to have a behind-the-scenes tour of their
>> >aquatics building, and then head off to collect. If we cannot book the
>> >zoo, our meeting will be held again in Dighton at the Bristol County
>> >Natural History Center (sight of former NANFA meetings). From there we
>> >will head off collecting.
>> >
>> > Keep your eyes on the mailbox for the meeting announcements.
>> >
>> >end quote:
>> >
>> >i have the letter sent to me. i opened that today and it ONLY talks
>>about
>> >the June 10 meeting in connecticut. NO mention at all about todays
>>meeting.
>> >
>> >I checked all the nanfa emails for the last month and find NO mention of
>> >where the meeting will be. this is some 75 miles or more from my house
>>and
>> >i dont see how i can drive around looking for people so i guess I will
>>not
>> >be able to attend. this should make some people happy.
>> >
>> >george arndt
>> >harvard, mass
>> >
>> >still waiting for my first collection trip. thought it would be today
>>but
>> >it will not be today. hope we get one in this year. I have had my heart
>> >all set on going to a nanfa collection trip at the January meeting and at
>> >the February meeting. i passed on the march meeting in connecticut. and
>> >then none in april or may and back in connecticut on june 10. today
>>sunday
>> >june 24 is to be a collection trip in massachusetts but i dont know where
>>to
>> >meet.
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